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  • Phil Ivey
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    #41
    Pacquiao will destroy the great Marquez... the first two fights were ultra close what makes anyone think Marquez can pull off a win now that everything thats in Pac's favor - weight, age, power, speed, size. I expect the fight to finish under 5-6 rds.

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    • jbpanama
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      #42
      Originally posted by Check_hooks
      Well duh Nacho. Once someone tastes Pacquiao's power they go into survival mode.
      HOOKS, it's a Style thing, and JMM is a
      great fighter, and has BALLS like an ELEPHANT!!!

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      • jbpanama
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        #43
        Originally posted by IronDanHamza
        People say that Pacquaio has improved so vastly since the Marquez fight in 2008, right?

        They say the Oscar fight, which was also in 2008, was his drastic improvment, yes? Does anyone think he has improved all that much since the Oscar fight? I dont.

        But for arguments sake let's say he improved even more with the Hatton and Cotto fights. Because I don't think anyone is going to argue he has improved as a fighter since Cotto. So that's what? A year and a half. Right?

        So here's what I don't get;

        Freddie Roach has been training Manny Pacquiao since the early 00's. 02 was it? I think it was 02.

        My question is. If Pacquaio wasn't that good against Marquez in 08 and had such a drastic improvment in a matter of months. Take it further it Cotto which is a mere year and half.

        Then what in God's name was Freddie Roach doing for the first 6 years he was training him???????
        Who knows, maybe Roach has IMPROVED, as has Pac's RIGHT HAND!!!

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        • IronDanHamza
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          #44
          Originally posted by jbpanama
          Who knows, maybe Roach has IMPROVED, as has Pac's RIGHT HAND!!!
          Doesn't that sound a tad strange to you?

          That it took argubaly a Top 10 ATG Trainer 6+ years to teach a fighter with the class of Manny Pacquaio how to throw a right hand?

          I think it's outright ludacrous.

          Manny Pacquiao has had a right hand for a long time and a very good one.

          Are we all forgetting how he dominated a prime or at the very least close to prime Barrera?

          I'm sorry but a one handed fighter can not do that for as long as he did nor the way he did to Marco Antonio Barrera.

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          • jbpanama
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            #45
            Originally posted by IronDanHamza
            Doesn't that sound a tad strange to you?

            That it took argubaly a Top 10 ATG Trainer 6+ years to teach a fighter with the class of Manny Pacquaio how to throw a right hand?

            I think it's outright ludacrous.

            Manny Pacquiao has had a right hand for a long time and a very good one.

            Are we all forgetting how he dominated a prime or at the very least close to prime Barrera?

            I'm sorry but a one handed fighter can not do that for as long as he did nor the way he did to Marco Antonio Barrera.
            Maybe Pac likes it at WW, where the day of the weigh-in,
            he can ENJOY, 4 LOBSTERS, 3 Pounds of KOBY BEEF, for
            BREAKFAST....While Many Cat's are in the Steam Room....

            Nothing STRANGE about it DIMWIT, and Roach like most great
            Teachers, is a work in PROGRESS, only Cat's like U fail to GROW!!!

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            • Larry the boss
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              #46
              What??Jmm is a beast at WW and will walk thru Mannys shots

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              • spoonwars
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                #47
                Originally posted by WESS
                You can bring Floyd into the equation if you like. I'm simply stating the fact that Pac has trouble with defensive counter punchers.

                This third and final match between Pac and JMM at WW is about whether or not Pac's technical skills have improved since 2008.

                None of Pac's in-house recent recycled losing opposition gave anyone any insight on how well Pac's technical skills have evolved vs this style of fighter (that gives him so many problems). This fight will to a certain degree yet like I said, Pac should have JMM out very very very very early. Anything less is a sign of Pac being old, still not being able to handle that style or all the above.
                You discount the fact that Marquez irritates Pac so it might turn into a 12 round beating for piss drinker.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by LarryX2011
                  What??Jmm is a beast at WW and will walk thru Mannys shots
                  Your joking right, how many times did fraud KD JMM? Yeah right on dude, a beast...right. You who's a beast at WW? a fighter that KD Cotto, that KD Mosley and made both them go on survival mode for the remainder of their fights. A fighter that fractured Margaritos right orbital bone. And all this while HE WAS IN THE WELTERWEIGHT DIVISION!!! How many times did JMM fight at WW? Once, and he didn't look like a beast, more like a lethargic old man. So no beast w/Marquez at WW.

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                  • Light_Speed
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                    #49
                    Does JMM have a better chin than Cotto or Mosley? I don't think so. He gets starched inside 5 rds.

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                    • Hindsight 20/10
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by el jeffe
                      Minor leauge: Hatton, David Diaz, Clottey
                      Old/Outdated: Mosely, Margarito, DLH

                      Cmon, not doubting that Manny hasn't improved and that he's P4P King but JMM brings to the ring the best match up Manny has seen since their last fight

                      And have you ever seen a JMM fight? he doesn't get KO'd, who knows how his brain works but he never gets drunk after a KO, he's back up in a flash

                      I want to see how Manny acts after getting tagged for the first time in years

                      I know Manny is fav but don't count JMM out, he's given him his best matches of his late career
                      You mean how Manny got tagged by Cotto or Clottey or even Margarito? B/c I promise you all three mentioned hits the more force than your over weight lightweight. You really believe that JMM will do what heavier handed fighters have failed to do; and that is to hurt Pac? Boy, what you be smoking??? And why aren't you sharing?

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