Prime Oscar vs. Pac Mayweather or Ortiz

[El Malo.]

Against May I don't know that's a tough one. He beat Pac easily if where talking prime oscar. Ortiz might be big but he still does not match up to a young equally as big Oscar.

[ramses07]

I posed this questiOn in the other thread; who has may or PAC beaten with dlh talent at in their respective prime?

[PunchesNbuncheS]

I honestly think that he would have a good chance to defeat all three of them. I know alot of people hate Oscar and act like he was nothing but in his prime he was a pretty good boxer. He is either underrated or overrated but hey that comes with the territory when you were that big in your day.

Im thinking about an absolute prime version of Oscar, the Oscar at 140 the night he fought Chavez in their 1st fight. I dont find it completely unbelievable that that version of Oscar could whoop all three of the mentioned fighters. Im not saying he would destroy them or beat them easy but I think he could beat them. This is boxing anything can happen, nothing is written in stone as to what has to happen.

Floyd and Victor have so so chins and I doubt that they could dodge all of ODLH'S left hooks for a full 12 rounds if they were facing that version of Oscar. The question would be, how would they take the shot once it happens because it would.

Pac on the other hand has a great chin but he tends to love to throw down and I can see him running into a monster left hook because he squares up when he engages toe to toe plus he cant deal too well with a good jab and Oscars jab was amazing back then. Pacs southpaw stance would help him if he didnt square up and was more defensive ala Whitaker but we know he doesnt do that, he loves to throw blows toe to toe and I think its not blasphemy to think that it could cost him against a bigger,stronger,longer fighter with a good chin.

[jrosales13]

I posed this questiOn in the other thread; who has may or PAC beaten with dlh talent at in their respective prime?

And, I gave the answer. That Marco Antonio Barrera was much more skillful and versatile than Oscar ever was.

[PunchesNbuncheS]

And, I gave the answer. That Marco Antonio Barrera was much more skillful and versatile than Oscar ever was.

I think Barrera is a very skilled fighter and I loved watching him fight but Im not sure if hes levels above what Oscar was like you claim.

Barrera started off as a brawler and nothing else and then reinvented himself and changed into a boxer-puncher and started using his jabs and his brain more but Im not too sure if I would say that he was more skilled than Oscar.

Oscar was a very skilled fighter and he had better footwork than Barrera, a far superior jab, better speed and he towards the end just like Barrera he also started to use his brain in fights but I respectfully have to disagree that Barrera was more skilled than Oscar, I think it could actually be the other way around by a bit honestly.

[jrosales13]

I think Barrera is a very skilled fighter and I loved watching him fight but Im not sure if hes levels above what Oscar was like you claim.

Barrera started off as a brawler and nothing else and then reinvented himself and changed into a boxer-puncher and started using his jabs and his brain more but Im not too sure if I would say that he was more skilled than Oscar.

Oscar was a very skilled fighter and he had better footwork than Barrera, a far superior jab, better speed and he towards the end just like Barrera he also started to use his brain in fights but I respectfully have to disagree that Barrera was more skilled than Oscar, I think it could actually be the other way around by a bit honestly.

Which would make Barrera more versatile.

speed is not a skill. Is not something you learn. Timing is a skill which Barrera had more so than Oscar. Also Oscar did not have better footwork. He used it more as a defense because he really had no defense he uses his feet instead of head movement or rolling with punches or parrying. However, that doesn't mean Oscar had better footwork.

What other skills did Oscar have? His right hand was none extent, he couldn't out box you for a whole fight, Barrera would use both hands, feints, Barrera was a better inside fighter as well. Could school you from the outside as well for the whole 12 rounds.

Barrera was much much more skillful than Oscar and more versatile. He could fight in different ways, beat you in different way and wasn't one hand dominant like Oscar was.

[PunchesNbuncheS]

Which would make Barrera more versatile.

speed is not a skill. Is not something you learn. Timing is a skill which Barrera had more so than Oscar. Also Oscar did not have better footwork. He used it more as a defense because he really had no defense he uses his feet instead of head movement or rolling with punches or parrying. However, that doesn't mean Oscar had better footwork.

What other skills did Oscar have? His right hand was none extent, he couldn't out box you for a whole fight, Barrera would use both hands, feints, Barrera was a better inside fighter as well. Could school you from the outside as well for the whole 12 rounds.

Barrera was much much more skillful than Oscar and more versatile. He could fight in different ways, beat you in different way and wasn't one hand dominant like Oscar was.

I guess we just tend to disagree on certain things because I watched Barrera and I watched Oscar fight and I saw superior footwork from Oscar and I also disagree that Oscar didnt use head movement because Ive seen him many times use head movement and I cant really remember seeing Barrera use head movement, I remember seeing Barrera roll with punches but I also remember seeing Oscar roll with punches as well and have a better defense especially since he started training with Mayweather SR.

I agree that Barrera's right hand was better than Oscar's right hand (although both were natural lefthanders) and that Barrera was a better inside fighter but Oscar was a better mid-range fighter and a better boxer from the outside plus Im sorry but I just dont see it when you say that Barrera had better footwork. Oscar had better foot coordination than Barrera the same way Barrera had more coordination with his right hand than Oscar and as far as the timing thing, Im not sure he had better timing either.

I guess we just agree to disagree on certain things but hey thats the thing with opinions.

BTW, are you puerto rican?

[El Malo.]

And, I gave the answer. That Marco Antonio Barrera was much more skillful and versatile than Oscar ever was.

Yes but unfortunately that wasn't the Barrera that fought Pac the first time so that makes it irrelevant.

[Rip Chudd]

I think Oscar would KO Ortiz, no problem.

The Floyd fight would be good but IMO Oscar can't beat a prime Floyd. You're talking about a Floyd who was still every bit as good on defense, who didn't have hand problems so he let his hands go and threw combonations. I just don't see Oscar beating him at all. Honestly it would be a Diego Corrales type performance but with Oscar winning a few rounds.

The Pac fight is a tough one cause prime Pacquiao is a beast. The size difference favors Oscar but I don't know if he'd have enough to keep Manny off him. I'd have to go with Pac on that one.

[Queen_Leia]

I think Oscar would KO Ortiz, no problem.

The Floyd fight would be good but IMO Oscar can't beat a prime Floyd. You're talking about a Floyd who was still every bit as good on defense, who didn't have hand problems so he let his hands go and threw combonations. I just don't see Oscar beating him at all. Honestly it would be a Diego Corrales type performance but with Oscar winning a few rounds.

The Pac fight is a tough one cause prime Pacquiao is a beast. The size difference favors Oscar but I don't know if he'd have enough to keep Manny off him. I'd have to go with Pac on that one.

Floyd in his prime was something to behold as well.