The Flaws of The Klitschko Brothers

[nomadman]

I never claimed Vitali won every second of every round but he was in fact dominating. The punchstats tell the tale if the fight visuals didn't for you. Vitali threw 75% more punches and landed 50% more than Lennox. Oh, and the staggered Vitali garbage is just that. Vitali held like he always does on the inside and Lennox caught him with a good uippercut. I'm sure it hurt buit he wasn't staggered at all. Lennox was buzzed a few times as I recall. Don't get mad because your hero got scared out of boxing. You should have written him a fan letter to help convince him to come back and getdominated by Vitali.

Lucky win on cuts is all it was. Otherwise Vitali wins. The crowd knew it and the judges. You just watched with bias eyes and it's understandable.

I'm actually one of the least biased posters on this forum and don't tend to side with any one group, neither do I (try to) let personal feelings enter my analyses of fights. This includes fights involving Lennox Lewis. I'm not going to go over my thoughts of 'that fight' yet again, since it's futile. People have set their minds to believing one half of the story, and nothing I or anyone else do is going to get them to see the whole picture. And if you think I'm foaming at the mouth as I type this, sorry to disappoint you but I'm calm as a clam.

But just to clear something up, when I talked about Vitali being staggered in the sixth, I wasn't referring to the uppercut. I was referring to an overhand right which Lennox caught Vitali with right near the end of the round. Watch it again and tell me Vitali wasn't stunned/hurt by that shot.

Understandable if you missed it since the uppercut was so impressive.

[Tiozzo]

Vitali relies greatly on his height and that is why he would have problems with opponents who can reach him. Lewis did it with a wild right hand behind steady pressure, and that was a whole lot older, slower, sloppier and out of shape Lennox Lewis than the Lewis of a few years ago. He does not have textbook skills, more so he maximizes his height advantages with the awkward, unorthodox style he has, evidence of his ring intelligence and creativity.

However the same attributes that work against shorter opponents would lead to difficulties against men of similar height, even if they were not quite as tall as he is. The lack of a traditional defense makes him vulnerable for even the most telegraphed of punches, an overhand right which was Lewis's key weapon against him. His hands are extremely low and he backs up in straight lines, which works against short opponents who can only hope to work his body.

Chris Byrd did show against a young version of Vitali that he can be hit by a clever boxer. Byrd had no power to make an impact on Vitali's proven chin, but he put him at discomfort at times. I know most people discount this fight because of the injury, but it's one of the few times that we have seen Vitali step in the ring against a top heavyweight, aside from Lewis, Sanders and arguably Peter (who I never rated myself). Sanders too stunned Vitali, who did not react too well to being hit at first, but was able to regain his composure and dealt out a steady beating to Sanders who did himself no favours with poor conditioning.

Before making him out to be a near invincible force, you have to look at all the times he fought true top competition and acknowledge that he encountered some difficulties. This does not indicate that he could walk through any of the top competitors in the past.

this is the mark of someone who knows what he's talking about

great post greatA

I have been stigmatized many times for saying almost the very same things

[BoyFloyd]

This whole thread is weak... Klitschko bros are on top and deserve it. Technically sound boxers.

[Grinderman]

This whole thread is weak... Klitschko bros are on top and deserve it. Technically sound boxers.

Flaws of the K-Bros are:

too white
too European
too educated
too fit
too dominant
too rich
too philanthropic

etc etc

Envy and jealousy are a b*tch.

[Tiozzo]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=387148

[Tiozzo]

Flaws of the K-Bros are:

too white
too European
too educated
too fit
too dominant
too rich
too philanthropic

etc etc

Envy and jealousy are a b*tch.

I think their biggest flaws are their fanboys

just saying

[JAB5239]

There's a difference between comprehensively losing a fight and losing simply because a combination of punches, dreadlocks, headbutts and forearms caused you to cut up and have a dr. stop a fight that you were mostly dominating. If you have any common sense, you know the difference.

You forgot the loose tape from Lewis' glove, that is what really did the damage!

[nomadman]

You forgot the loose tape from Lewis' glove, that is what really did the damage!

Nah, it was the knee he landed in the clinch when neither the ref, nor the crowd, nor anyone else was watching. Why do you think Vit tried to kick him later on in the fight? He thought he was back in the kickboxing ring again. He was acting on instinct, nothing more. He certainly wasn't being an ass and refusing to accept Lennox's help off the canvas. That was also the reason he got so heated when the fight was stopped on cuts. "Pah, a mere flesh wound!" Vitali was heard to expostulate shortly after the fight. "Why, back in the day I saw fighters with their foreheads flapping over their eyes, exposing their naked wet skulls. Know what they did? Pinned their skin back over their scalps with crocodile clips their cornermen always kept handy, and gutted it out to the end. Now that's what I call dealing with an injury, by God! None of these namby pamby doctor's stoppages. Oh my, I do hope you'll excuse me, but I feel a trifle lightheaded... could... someone... fetch... me... a... wet... towel..."

Lennox Lewis, or Lennox Resto as I shall henceforth call him, should've been ashamed of himself that night, landing all those illegal blows. I no longer consider myself a fan of his (but for laziness's sake will keep his pic in my avatar and sig). Hopefully, with this post, everyone will know the truth of my feelings.

[Grinderman]

I think their biggest flaws are their fanboys

just saying

The fanboys are a necessary and inevitable antidote to the constant stream of lies, distortions, and slander that comes from the Klitschko hater brigade, and that very much includes the infamous "I like the K-Bros, BUT...." crowd, who think they are being rhetorically clever K-Bros bashers.

"Extreme positions are not succeeded by moderate ones, but by contrary extreme positions" -- Nietzsche

[Mr. Invincible]

I'm actually one of the least biased posters on this forum and don't tend to side with any one group, neither do I (try to) let personal feelings enter my analyses of fights. This includes fights involving Lennox Lewis. I'm not going to go over my thoughts of 'that fight' yet again, since it's futile. People have set their minds to believing one half of the story, and nothing I or anyone else do is going to get them to see the whole picture. And if you think I'm foaming at the mouth as I type this, sorry to disappoint you but I'm calm as a clam.

But just to clear something up, when I talked about Vitali being staggered in the sixth, I wasn't referring to the uppercut. I was referring to an overhand right which Lennox caught Vitali with right near the end of the round. Watch it again and tell me Vitali wasn't stunned/hurt by that shot.

Understandable if you missed it since the uppercut was so impressive.

Went back and watched the fight one more time to humor ya and still didn't see a second where Vitali was hurt or staggered. No right hand landed as you seem to have seen, the uppercut was it. The rest was a lot of missed shots.

Let me ask you why Lennox would not grant a rematch for a career high payday when before the fight he had no intention of quitting and was getting better with age , 'like fine wine" ?????????

Vitali got the better of him whether you like it or not.

Live with it.