Victor Ortiz Hasn't Redeemed Himself REALLY!

[bojangles1987]

I believe that Ortiz is a champion. There are 4 major titles in each division. Ortiz owns one of them. Now is he the highest ranked overall? Probably not. But he is a champion & ranked highly. I consider paper titlist to be when 2 fighters fight for a vacant world title, or when a fighter jumps up in weight to beat some cherrypicked guy then imidiately vacates the title instead of fighting a legitamte contender. But Ortiz did earn his title to champion, imo.

I'm more of a prick than that I guess, lol. To me pretty much every fighter who didn't beat the recognized best fighter to earn their belt is a paper champion. Exceptions of course for when the best fighter won't fight a guy who goes on to win a belt from someone else.

[Bushbaby]

I'm more of a prick than that I guess, lol. To me pretty much every fighter who didn't beat the recognized best fighter to earn their belt is a paper champion. Exceptions of course for when the best fighter won't fight a guy who goes on to win a belt from someone else.

That's what i'm telling you homey. You gotta understand that Berto was the highest ranked champion not named Pacman at 147. Pacman compltely ignored him while fighting the likes of Mosley & now Marquez. Then Berto went on to be beaten by Ortiz, who took his world title. Now Floyd is fighting him for his world title & will probably userp Pacman as #1 at the weight when he does. Because remember Floyd was indeed #1 after he beat Mosley. Pacman only got it after Floyd went inactive.

Also remember that Floyd & Pacman were ranked ahead of Mosley, even though it was Mosley who beat Margarito at 147. That's why Floyd beating Mosley was thoroughly legit. But when pacman beat Mosley it was utter garbage. he had already lost to Floyd & drew with Mora outside of 147. Meaning he was 0-1-1 going into that fight. While Berto was a champion racking up wins against average guys,(outside of Quintana & Collazo of course). Until Ortiz took his ****.