Victor Ortiz Hasn't Redeemed Himself REALLY!

[Grimmer]

People also seem to forget it was only in December that Ortiz faded badly in a fight and only managed a draw against Lamont Peterson, a guy who was there for the taking in the first half of the fight.

[STRUGGIE]

Aw crap, this troll is back. Welcome back Strugg.

im not a troll....and im reformed now...

[Bushbaby]

How is becoming welterweight champion not redeeming himself? If he were fighting another superstar fighter no one would even remember Maidana. Young fighters lose, learn & improve. Has Khan not redeemed himself either? Or does that simply not fit the agenda?

[STRUGGIE]

How is becoming welterweight champion not redeeming himself? If he were fighting another superstar fighter no one would even remember Maidana. Young fighters lose, learn & improve. Has Khan not redeemed himself either? Or does that simply not fit the agenda?

because berto wasnt good to start with........and lets not forget he didnt dominate by far..........................

Maidana will always be in ortiz legacy............sad to say..........

khan didnt redeemed himself in just one ok performance..............

what agenda ?..........its the truth simple as that....you're welcome......

[Chief2ndzOnly!]

How is becoming welterweight champion not redeeming himself? If he were fighting another superstar fighter no one would even remember Maidana. Young fighters lose, learn & improve. Has Khan not redeemed himself either? Or does that simply not fit the agenda?

I think they both have redeemed themselves "somewhat". I honestly think to fully redeem themselves they need to face the one's who handed them defeat. If they plan on being "Great" then they must do so. And one of the markers of Greatness for me is to fully redeem any and all losses or to atleast attempt to even the score.

[Bushbaby]

I think they both have redeemed themselves "somewhat". I honestly think to fully redeem themselves they need to face the one's who handed them defeat. If they plan on being "Great" then they must do so. And one of the markers of Greatness for me is to fully redeem any and all losses or to atleast attempt to even the score.

Ohh, I agree big dog. But all anyone has got to do is look ar round 6 of that fight. Who the hell doesn't call that a tremendous show of heart needs to resort to watching gulf. I do however believe that both along with others should do like lewis & beat everyone that beat them.

because berto wasnt good to start with........and lets not forget he didnt dominate by far..........................

Maidana will always be in ortiz legacy............sad to say..........

khan didnt redeemed himself in just one ok performance..............

what agenda ?..........its the truth simple as that....you're welcome......

****, this dude is back? Here we go..............................

[SirTomJones]

People also seem to forget it was only in December that Ortiz faded badly in a fight and only managed a draw against Lamont Peterson, a guy who was there for the taking in the first half of the fight.

Yeah people forget this but will bring it up straight after Floyd outclasses him to discredit him.

Ortiz beat Berto which is a good win but has anyone thought that Berto wasn't that great in the first place.

[STRUGGIE]

Ohh, I agree big dog. But all anyone has got to do is look ar round 6 of that fight. Who the hell doesn't call that a tremendous show of heart needs to resort to watching gulf. I do however believe that both along with others should do like lewis & beat everyone that beat them.




****, this dude is back? Here we go..............................

truth......berto was called an HBO protected fighter even before ortiz............so how can one redeemed himself.......from quitting against an HBO protected fighter..........sorry just bringing in the facts........

[Bushbaby]

truth......berto was called an HBO protected fighter even before ortiz............so how can one redeemed himself.......from quitting against an HBO protected fighter..........sorry just bringing in the facts........

[STRUGGIE]

my bad.....i meant how can someone from previously quitting against maidana.....redeemed himself against an HBO protected fighter in a competitive fight?.................the answer is simply NO WAY.........sorry