What Boxers Don't Lift Weights?

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  • Tiozzo
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    #31
    Originally posted by New England
    he uses resistance training


    and i cal almost guarantee, at some level at some point, ariza has him using free weight (probably small dumbbells) at some level



    bodybuilding and weight training are different animals


    bodybuilding is about adding weight


    each week, as you get stronger and bigger (from "building") you try and add weight at the same reps (finishing your sets with probably no more than 5-10 reps)

    and your body adjust to deal with it by "building" muscle
    really, it's breaking down and then filling in and fortifying old muscle.

    and thats counterproductive in boxing


    however, longer reps, with very little resistance, is perfect for boxing.

    that's what working a heavy bag is, essentially.


    just work out for 3 mins with whatever you're doing and then rest and you're likely doing exercises that will help an entry level person box and get into condition

    you cant bench or squat for 3 mins straight with heavy weight
    so people don't do these exercises in boxing

    making any sense?
    it's early, so perhaps it's not


    i'll go over anything later when i return from work if anybody wants me to clarify
    (i was into bodybuilding pretty seriously in college and will try and answer any questions so long as they have nothing to do with tanning or banana hammocks)


    most fighters at some point will shadow box with resistance
    small weights (a pound or two)
    resistance bands (surgical tubing, etc)
    or just wearing 16 oz gloves to add a little weight and speed your hands up when they get into 8 or 10 oz




    your fav fighters, however, (unless they are jeff lacy) do not "build" their bodies aesthetically (which is what 99% of the people at a regular gym//weight room are there to do)


    those muscles fill with blood quickly and become exhausted and stiff
    they limit mobility. they are build and conditioned to work for short periods and then take advantage of long periods of rest (when i was bodybuilding i'd usually take 10-20 seconds to finish a set, leaving my muscles pumped and completely fatigued. then i'd rest for a minute, the muscles would recover, and i'd lift again, at lower reps with higher weights. that is the basis of all body building.)
    and yes, they will reduce handspeed with tight and short punches

    looping ones not so much
    but short, straight punches will have resistance, without having any extra meaningful weight behind them (aside from the extra lbs you put on)
    and certainly less speed.

    like boxing with a winter jacket on

    or hockey pads


    power punching is about bones and proportion of weaponry to total size






    when doing most exercises when i was simply lifting weights i would design my exercises / routines like this


    4/5 exercises per day of basic work (the hard stuff that's doing the building")

    usually 4 sets each exercise
    id warm up first with pushups, wall pushups

    then your "working sets"
    grossest movements first (most complex, squats, cleans, bench, etc. stuff that uses many muscles at a time. these are usually your most "athletic" or naturally occurring movements. isolating muscles later in the workout and usually increasing reps late.)

    15
    10
    10
    8

    and that was pretty high rep stuff

    lots of people will go
    10
    8
    8
    6

    ad then dips or pullups till failure with weight
    and then without weight till failure.

    and then "cardio" which is BB speak for the regular physical work that happens in the real world, basketball, running, etc.
    real stuff. anything that gets your hear going and makes you breath hard (which bodybuilding is designed not to do so your muscles are doing the most work.)

    thats a bodybuilding workout.

    this sort of weight lifting is counterproductive for boxing

    just look at the nature of your workout !

    you spend most of your time at the gym resting your completely spent muscles before your next set
    if you build muscle like that for a fight you're going to need to fight like arthur abraham, and lash out for brief periods, and then allow yourself long periods of time to recover


    that's not boxing.
    good post

    bumped

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    • MajorKong
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      #32
      because you want your muscles to be supple and elastic. Not heavy, slow and overworked.

      Weights have their place for certain things, but by and large are not necessary.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Ugh!
        the best in boxing lift weights?
        roy jones didn't
        mike tyson didn't in his prime
        floyd mayweather only uses dumbells and the neck weight
        manny pacquiao doesn't
        muhammad ali didn't
        ray robinson didn't
        joe frazier insisted one shouldn't touch weights
        marvin hagler didn't

        who's these "best fighters that ALL" lift weights?



        Don't talk wet.
        RJJ lifted weights.
        Tyson was a huge fan of weights, do you think he build up those huge quads & that 20" neck from hitting a speed ball?
        Manny does, have seen videos before of him squatting.
        Hagler did as well. In fact didn't Hagler own his own bodybuilding gym?

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          #34
          Originally posted by dancovboxer
          Don't talk wet.
          RJJ lifted weights.
          Tyson was a huge fan of weights, do you think he build up those huge quads & that 20" neck from hitting a speed ball?
          Manny does, have seen videos before of him squatting.
          Hagler did as well. In fact didn't Hagler own his own bodybuilding gym?
          prime tyson didnt lift weights, hes said that and so has both teddy atlas and kevin rooney. its also widely known (or so i though) cuz d'amato was firmly against boxers lifting weights. he was lifting before his last 2-3 fights when he was too lazy to work out properly, not saying u cant train properly using weights just saying tyson wasnt.

          neither did prime RJJ i think, im not completely sure but i think he started lifting weights when he moved up to HW, and then he kept going afterwards even as he went down. a factor in his rapid decline perhaps?

          manny doesnt lift weights as part of his routine, if u say u saw a video of him doing squats i believe u but it has to have been outside of his real training. i seen an interview with ariza where he said pacquiao doesnt do weights and i think ive seen a video of roach saying none of his fighters use weights (not sure though).

          im not sure about hagler, i havent heard anything where he said specificly he didnt use weights. but i have seen lots of footage of him training and never seen him use any. i do know for a fact he was all about old school training, which doesnt include weights.

          so id say you are talking out of your ass, buddy.

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            #35
            Ive seen video of Oscar saying he never used weights.

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            • dan_cov
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              #36
              Originally posted by #1Assassin
              prime tyson didnt lift weights, hes said that and so has both teddy atlas and kevin rooney. its also widely known (or so i though) cuz d'amato was firmly against boxers lifting weights. he was lifting before his last 2-3 fights when he was too lazy to work out properly, not saying u cant train properly using weights just saying tyson wasnt.

              neither did prime RJJ i think, im not completely sure but i think he started lifting weights when he moved up to HW, and then he kept going afterwards even as he went down. a factor in his rapid decline perhaps?

              manny doesnt lift weights as part of his routine, if u say u saw a video of him doing squats i believe u but it has to have been outside of his real training. i seen an interview with ariza where he said pacquiao doesnt do weights and i think ive seen a video of roach saying none of his fighters use weights (not sure though).

              im not sure about hagler, i havent heard anything where he said specificly he didnt use weights. but i have seen lots of footage of him training and never seen him use any. i do know for a fact he was all about old school training, which doesnt include weights.

              so id say you are talking out of your ass, buddy.



              Oh I am, would you like video evidence would you 'buddy'?

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8OzGTHlSRs = Tyson.

              http://www.********boxing.com/forum/...d.php?t=159142 = RJJ.

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              Re: roy jones jr did lift weights
              I don't understand why people find it so hard to believe alot of boxers were pretty avid about lifting weights. Roy Jones, Shane Mosley, Mike Tyson, David haye...''



              Apology accepted 'buddy'.

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