If he fights his fight,it's difficult to imagine anybody beating Wladimir Klitschko.He's just that good.Unquestionably an ATG fighter.
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The Ring Mag: Vlad Loses To Holmes, Tyson, Liston. Really?
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Originally posted by Freedom. View PostBut Hasim Rahman is ranked 43 by the objective, computerized BoxRec.
You don't seem to understand that sanctioning bodies rankings have a lot more to do with politics than with who the best fighters are, especially the WBA.
There are many, many better heavyweights out there than the faded Rahman: Helenius, Chambers, Perez, Ortiz, Price, Pulev, Dimitrenko, etc.
That he is probably the best challenger out there after Adamek is startling.
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Originally posted by Big Dunn View PostHolmes definitely came on rioght after the glory years of the HWT division. But he was accumulating wins during the heyday, he just wasn't the champ. But the HWT division is currently at its worst. Not because most are eastern europeans but because the talent level is low.
Think about it. The two best available challengers for the HWT titles are Adamek and Haye, two blown up crusierweights fighting at HWT for the money.
I encourage you to go watch some old Marciano fights, Louis fights, etc., and then come back and tell me how much better the heavyweight division was back then when they were finding bartenders and cab drivers for Rocky to fight than it is now. How about Larry Holmes vs Tex Cobb, what a classic!
That's a fantasy created by nostalgia, a sin of which boxing fans are among the worst at perpetrating.Last edited by Grinderman; 08-30-2011, 10:02 AM.
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Originally posted by Big Dunn View PostThey are better than Rahmman but that doesn't mean they are good right now. Look at Helenius. He has size and some talent. I may not have seen him as much as you or other posters, but he isn't excatly ready for the big time. Can we agree on that?
That he is probably the best challenger out there after Adamek is startling.
So would Perez, Price, Mitchell, Ortiz, Dimitrenko, Gerber, and many other young HWs.
Rahman ducked a fight with Tyson Fury earlier this year. He knows his current limitations.
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Originally posted by RubenSonny View PostYeah so what if he did? Wlad has only 2 more. Patterson win a better win than any of Wlads. Listons resume isn't base around his title run he cleared out the division before winning the title you dumb ****, had Pattersons management allowed the fight to go through earlier I'm sure he would have racked up a good few title defenses.
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Originally posted by Grinderman View PostHaye is not now and never was one of the best available challengers for the heavyweight title. If you believed that, you just bought his line of crap and didn't look at the evidence.
I encourage you to go watch some old Marciano fights, Louis fights, etc., and then come back and tell me how much better the heavyweight division was back then than it is now. How about Larry Holmes vs Tex Cobb, what a classic!
That's a fantasy created by nostalgia, a sin of which boxing fans are among the worst at perpetrating.
I have watched boxing a long time. I am completely sure this is the worst I've ever seen the division. There is size but very little talent. Back then there was talent and skill but little size. You discredit Haye but not ADamek. WHile my guess is you have other reasons for doing so you at least agre Vitali's best challenge is a blown up cruiser. This shows where the division is and has been in the last few years.
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