LOL @ anyone who thinks Floyd ruins fighters.

[Gino Ros]

Wasn't that the point you were making? That Floyd ruins fighters one way and Pacquiao ruins fighters another way? If not I apologize, I mistook the point of what you were saying.

Personally? When I'm in serious boxing fan mode, I despise the concept of "ruin".

Because I believe that fighters are changed in two ways:

1) Internally - confidence, realization loss of sense of invincibility, newfound gunshyness, etc.

2) Externally - future competition sees a blueprint or design that they can also exploit. Or they see a pattern of general decline and use that opportunity to step in.

J-Ro and I share an (unnatural) mancrush on Tito. And the closest I would come to saying one fighter "ruined" another would be Tito/Vargas.

I could say Tito/Reid, because that 11th round was hellish. But I don't think that Reid was ever that good a pro, and that fight just came too early.

When one fighter suffers a career-changing or threatening injury (detached retina), I guess you can say he ws "ruined".

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Gino......


Chavdez ruined Taylor.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Williams ruined Quintana.


7 clean left handed bombs. Q was never the same fighter.

[jrosales13]

Personally? When I'm in serious boxing fan mode, I despise the concept of "ruin".

Because I believe that fighters are changed in two ways:

1) Internally - confidence, realization loss of sense of invincibility, newfound gunshyness, etc.

2) Externally - future competition sees a blueprint or design that they can also exploit. Or they see a pattern of general decline and use that opportunity to step in.

J-Ro and I share an (unnatural) mancrush on Tito. And the closest I would come to saying one fighter "ruined" another would be Tito/Vargas.

I could say Tito/Reid, because that 11th round was hellish. But I don't think that Reid was ever that good a pro, and that fight just came too early.

When one fighter suffers a career-changing or threatening injury (detached retina), I guess you can say he ws "ruined".

I agree with that.

[jrosales13]

Gino......


Chavdez ruined Taylor.

I disagree again. Taylor had good wins after. Wins that "ruin" fighters don't get.

[Enzo Mc is SHIT]

I think fights with Floyd are reality checks - reminders that you're never going to be the best as long as this guy's still out there - more than career-enders.

The whole problem with Ricky Hatton is that defeat to Floyd had no real effect on him, much like his close battle with Luis Collazo. He just blamed Joe Cortez and continued as he was.

[Pugilistic™]

I disagree, he was just exposed to being over hyped more than anything.

Lacy was decent but was certainly overhyped.

I feel Lacy's as fighter declined massively once he suffered that serious shoulder injury in his next fight after the Calzaghe loss and had to miss about a year of fighting.

When he came back, he really struggled to beat the likes of Manfredo Jr, Mendoza and remember how a old Roy owned him through 10 rounds.

He was never anything special but it was clear he declined rapidly after that injury imo.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

I disagree again. Taylor had good wins after. Wins that "ruin" fighters don't get.

He said that lost killed him as a fighter. He said that. I agree with him. He won a few fights but I wouldnt say he had any stellar wins after the Chavez fight.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Lacy was decent but was certainly overhyped.

I feel Lacy's as fighter declined massively once he suffered that serious shoulder injury in his next fight after the Calzaghe loss and had to miss about a year of fighting.

When he came back, he really struggled to beat the likes of Manfredo Jr, Mendoza and remember how a old Roy owned him through 10 rounds.

He was never anything special but it was clear he declined rapidly after that injury imo.

Was his injury the same one Forrest had?

[The_Demon]

Deluded *****s at it again