Are Fighters The Same After Fighting Mayweather?

[bojangles1987]

Chavez

Before - 36-1
After - 9-6

Corrales

Before - 33-0
After - 7-4

Corley

Before - 28-2
After - 9-15

Gatti - Pretty good winning streak before Floyd fight.

Before - 39-6
After - 1-2

Baldomir - Pretty good winning streak before Floyd fight, like 8 years long.

Before - 43-9
After - 5-3

Ndou

Before - 31-1
After - 3-2

De la Hoya

Before - 38-4
After - 1-1 - Lackluster decision over Forbes and stopped by Pac.


This is one of the most objective posts on here, I think.

Go back and look at posts made in this thread. Out of the people knocking Floyd, you will find some saying he ruined Hatton, Ndou, Gatti, Mosley, Corrales, ect. Though they might differ in opinions on specifically who Floyd ruined, they rightfully admit to seeing some form of trend. I'll let them debate amongst each other as to why some picked Ndou, Hatton, Gatti, Corrales, and Mosley to name a few.

Since you ignored it before, let me break this down for you again, then I'm done because you probably won't pay attention

3 of the 4 losses Corrales had after fighting Floyd came after he beat Castillo, in one of the greatest, most brutal fights ever. That's where both Corrales and Castillo were done as fighters, because of that fight.

Baldomir was a bum with 9 losses. You can't ruin a bum.

Gatti, Oscar, and Mosley were all at the tail end or THE end of their careers, and Oscar was a part time fighter at that point. There's no denying that.

Corley, Chavez, and Ndou had puffed up records and were not as good as those records made them appear. That's why they continued to lose after Mayweather. Happens quite a bit in boxing.

Hatton looked the same. Marquez looked the same. Judah looked the same.

Floyd does not ruin anyone.

[Someone88]

Since you ignored it before, let me break this down for you again, then I'm done because you probably won't pay attention

3 of the 4 losses Corrales had after fighting Floyd came after he beat Castillo, in one of the greatest, most brutal fights ever. That's where both Corrales and Castillo were done as fighters, because of that fight.

Baldomir was a bum with 9 losses. You can't ruin a bum.

Gatti, Oscar, and Mosley were all at the tail end or THE end of their careers, and Oscar was a part time fighter at that point. There's no denying that.

Corley, Chavez, and Ndou had puffed up records and were not as good as those records made them appear. That's why they continued to lose after Mayweather. Happens quite a bit in boxing.

Hatton looked the same. Marquez looked the same. Judah looked the same.

Floyd does not ruin anyone.

Yeh especially with Hatton, he didn't wanna retire after the Mayweather fight he was motivated but Pacquiao retired him. No disrespect to Hatton just saying.

[BoxingGenius27]

Since you ignored it before, let me break this down for you again, then I'm done because you probably won't pay attention

3 of the 4 losses Corrales had after fighting Floyd came after he beat Castillo, in one of the greatest, most brutal fights ever. That's where both Corrales and Castillo were done as fighters, because of that fight.

Baldomir was a bum with 9 losses. You can't ruin a bum.

Gatti, Oscar, and Mosley were all at the tail end or THE end of their careers, and Oscar was a part time fighter at that point. There's no denying that.

Corley, Chavez, and Ndou had puffed up records and were not as good as those records made them appear. That's why they continued to lose after Mayweather. Happens quite a bit in boxing.

Hatton looked the same. Marquez looked the same. Judah looked the same.

Floyd does not ruin anyone.

You're right, I won't agree. Especially when I see a bunch of "he was at the end of his career", "he was a bum" statements being made. Sounds like discrediting to me. Not that you're the first to do it, but you're doing it.

A pre Mayweather fight Corrales would kill Castillo. The only reason Corrales had battles with Castillo in the first place was because of what Floyd did to him.

[bojangles1987]

You're right, I won't agree. Especially when I see a bunch of "he was at the end of his career", "he was a bum" statements being made. Sounds like discrediting to me. Not that you're the first to do it, but you're doing it.

A pre Mayweather fight Corrales would kill Castillo. The only reason Corrales had battles with Castillo was because of what Floyd did to him.

Are you seriously trying to argue that Gatti, Oscar, and Mosley were at their very best when Floyd fought them? Is that REALLY an argument you are making? And that Floyd destroyed their careers in some way? You realize all three of those fighters suffered multiple losses before Floyd ever fought them right? You sure those fighters didn't ruin them, if they were ruined at some point?

The only person I called a bum was Baldomir, because he was.

[Walt Liquor]

Chavez

Before - 36-1
After - 9-6

Corrales

Before - 33-0
After - 7-4

Corley

Before - 28-2
After - 9-15

Gatti - Pretty good winning streak before Floyd fight.

Before - 39-6
After - 1-2

Baldomir - Pretty good winning streak before Floyd fight, like 8 years long.

Before - 43-9
After - 5-3

Ndou

Before - 31-1
After - 3-2

De la Hoya

Before - 38-4
After - 1-1 - Lackluster decision over Forbes and stopped by Pac.


This is one of the most objective posts on here, I think.

Go back and look at posts made in this thread. Out of the people knocking Floyd, you will find some saying he ruined Hatton, Ndou, Gatti, Mosley, Corrales, ect. Though they might differ in opinions on specifically who Floyd ruined, they rightfully admit to seeing some form of trend. I'll let them debate amongst each other as to why some picked Ndou, Hatton, Gatti, Corrales, and Mosley to name a few.

pure ignorance. you can make the exact same argument for the people that beat these guys before floyd. for example, chavez went on a winning streak after floyd till he fought erik morales.

baldo- im sure it has nothing to do with his age or that his only good comp before floyd was gatti and zab at 147. getti was a blown up lw and zab never did jack shi t at 147 except the one fight vs spinks. he went the distance with forrest after the floyd fight. not something a ruined fighter would do

n'dou-, he had one decent fight up till floyd then fought the other n'dou and hlashwhatever after. both better than anyone he fought pre-floyd. AND he wasn't ko'd.

was corrales-castillo after floyd? cuz he wasn't shot in the first fight. only a complete fool would bring up corrales. he beat prime freitas, castillo, and el cepillo post floyd and was always a warrior.


lol at you putting gatti and oscar.

change your username NOW to boxingjacka$$..

[Walt Liquor]

I think if we assume the TS is trying to pump floyd up thats part of the problem. The post about records post floyd is interesting. I think, removing as much of our biasies both positive and negative about floyd as possible, we can agree floyd shows all future opponets the EXACT way to defeat a fighter. Fighting floyd illustrates where a guy is weak. All future opponents have a "blueprint" on how to defeat a fighter by watching him fight floyd.

MAybe this was the TS point. Floyd takes away a fighters "aura" for lack of a better word.

just stop it dunn. the vast majority of those dudes had already lost before or weren't hard to create a "blueprint" for (see n'dou).

those record differences wouldn't have anything to do with age would they.

what you said could be said for any fighter alive that has beaten some elite fighters.

[BoxingGenius27]

Are you seriously trying to argue that Gatti, Oscar, and Mosley were at their very best when Floyd fought them? Is that REALLY an argument you are making? And that Floyd destroyed their careers in some way? You realize all three of those fighters suffered multiple losses before Floyd ever fought them right? You sure those fighters didn't ruin them, if they were ruined at some point?

The only person I called a bum was Baldomir, because he was.

This is what I'm saying.

How does Mosley go from destroying Margarito to a draw with Mora?

How does Gatti go from being born again on a 3 year win streak to being destroyed by Baldomir (who you called a bum) and Gomez?

How does ODLH go from destroying Mayorga (kd tito) to getting busted up by Steve Forbes? Heck Paulie M hits harder than Forbes.

How does Baldomir go from being on an 8 year win streak to going 5-3 in his next fights?

That's just naming a few.

[Walt Liquor]

You're right, I won't agree. Especially when I see a bunch of "he was at the end of his career", "he was a bum" statements being made. Sounds like discrediting to me. Not that you're the first to do it, but you're doing it.

A pre Mayweather fight Corrales would kill Castillo. The only reason Corrales had battles with Castillo in the first place was because of what Floyd did to him.

you're a fuc kin moron, how come diego beat frietas (a MONSTER), casa (possibly a GREAT fighter), and castillo.

remember floyd barely beat castillo...duh.

[BoxingGenius27]

pure ignorance. you can make the exact same argument for the people that beat these guys before floyd. for example, chavez went on a winning streak after floyd till he fought erik morales.

baldo- im sure it has nothing to do with his age or that his only good comp before floyd was gatti and zab at 147. getti was a blown up lw and zab never did jack shi t at 147 except the one fight vs spinks. he went the distance with forrest after the floyd fight. not something a ruined fighter would do

n'dou-, he had one decent fight up till floyd then fought the other n'dou and hlashwhatever after. both better than anyone he fought pre-floyd. AND he wasn't ko'd.

was corrales-castillo after floyd? cuz he wasn't shot in the first fight. only a complete fool would bring up corrales. he beat prime freitas, castillo, and el cepillo post floyd and was always a warrior.


lol at you putting gatti and oscar.

change your username NOW to boxingjacka$$..

Here's what you just did:

1. Discredited everyone by giving false "what if's". I can do what you just did all day.

2. When all else fails, start calling names like 3rd graders.

Dunn, you're losing credibility. I thought you said this guy was a stand-up poster. Calling names? Really?

[brick wall]

You're right, I won't agree. Especially when I see a bunch of "he was at the end of his career", "he was a bum" statements being made. Sounds like discrediting to me. Not that you're the first to do it, but you're doing it.

A pre Mayweather fight Corrales would kill Castillo. The only reason Corrales had battles with Castillo in the first place was because of what Floyd did to him.

WTF