Comments Thread For: Ortiz: I'm Going To Destroy Mayweather, Then KO Him

[newcastleking]

floyd may outpoint ortiz but he wont be able to hurt ortiz. ortiz can definitely hurt floyd like shane did but not get tired

[ADP02]

Ortiz has inexperience (especially at 147) and defense going against him.

People need to remember that even in that win over Berto, Berto was able to hit Ortiz to the point of knocking him down and being hurt! Also look at the Peterson and Maidana fight and you will see that those guys couldn't miss when they let their hands go!

So imagine a more accurate Floyd?

Same goes with offense. Floyd has a better defense than those other guys. So Ortiz will need to come in crisper. That is, be careful with those wide shots and don't let yourself be wide open for a counter.


Will Ortiz be able to fix his defense by Sept. 17?

Will Ortiz have a plan (A, B, C) that takes into account that Floyd is NOT Berto or Maidana?

[maguirre]

WBC welterweight champion Victor Ortiz (29-2-2, 22KOs) is planning for a very physical fight when he steps in the ring with Floyd Mayweather Jr. (41-0, 25KOs) on September 17th at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. Ortiz is going to be patient, and take his time, by breaking Mayweather down round by round - until the knockout comes.

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"Ortiz is going to be patient, and take his time,..."

There is the word I was looking for in this fight -- patient.

Ortiz needs to let Mayweather set the tune of this fight, not the other way around. That's what Mayweather always expects in his fights. Like I've always noted, Marquez/Pac and Marquez/Floyd can never be compared. Marquez did better in Pac fights because Pac comes to him while Marquez set the tune in the Mayweather fight. In short, he did the opposite which is not his game. Ortiz should not make the mistake of doing the same. Let Floyd start the dance and wait for his music. If nothing happens and the crowd starts booing, let them. It's Floyd they are booing, not Ortiz. Floyd will be forced to do something and fight.

:-)

[4Corners]

Ortiz is crazy if he honestly thinks De La Hoya beat Mayweather. I can see the controversy in Mayweather-Castillo 1, but Mayweather should have won the clear UD against Oscar. I had the fight 8-3-1 Mayweather. I wish people would realize that in the entire Mayweather-De La Hoya fight, Floyd would pop Oscar with jabs and straight rights the whole round, and Oscar would flurry and throw wild punches for about 15-20 seconds every round...and the crowd would go crazy. At the same time, the crowd (and apparently the judges and announcers) didn't realize that 90% of those punches were landing on Floyd's arms and shoulders, or missing completely. One of the rounds where an announcer thought it was very "even", Oscar landed something like 7 out of his 50 punches, while Floyd landed 20 of 35 punches. That fight was a gift SD loss for Oscar. Just go look at the fight stats, and even if it was an even fight through 6, Floyd won every round from that point on.

Mayweather-Castillo 1, I see big controversy. But, if anyone was actually watching it live, as I was, how many rounds did Floyd win in the first half of the fight??? Most people in the building had Floyd winning the first 5 rounds. That would mean Castillo had to fight a shutout the rest of the fight. It's not surprising the judges scored a UD for Floyd, he won the frist 4 or 5 rounds at least. Castillo got behind too big and too early. I had the fight a draw, but thats just me. Anyways, Mayweather gave a prime Castillo an immediate rematch and won convincingly. That's good enough for me.

It's hard to say whether or not the layoff and age will effect Mayweather. It didn't seem to affect him after his 21 month layoff, but he was only 32 than. Even the best fighters slow down at some point. I remember Ray Leonard taking layoffs over and over, until finally he took one too many layoffs. That being said, Floyd does seem to be the exception to the rule. I think he will show ring rust in the first 2 or 3 rounds, but by round 4, he should be in total control. I expect to see Ortiz rock him a few times in the first 2 or 3 rounds, but Floyd will adjust. Just as he did with a prime Judah, the toughest southpaw he's faced to this point. No one can adjust in a fight like Floyd, no one. You always hear now days about how Floyd's legs have "slowed down" and that he doesn't "dance or move" like he used too. I think one of two things...Either Floyd has slowed down and he simply can't move like before, or he's saving his legs and bringing the fight to other people because he doesn't have to move against them. Mayweather-Hatton, he didn't dance as much but he still moved and danced much more than his previous two fights. That was probably the last fight where I would say Floyd was in his prime. Mayweather-Marquez, he didn't move too much and he stood in front of Marquez. He didn't have to dance or move continually against Marquez. Mayweather-Mosley, same thing. I think it's very possible that Floyd is saving anything he has left in his legs...for Pacquiao. Floyd will NOT be able to fight so flat footed against Manny, simple as that.

I also can't see why all these Mayweather haters say that Floyd can't take a good punch or that he doesn't take punches well. The guy took a big shot from Judah and recovered fine, won the fight easily. He took a shot from Shane Mosley, recovered fine and dominated the fight. He can take a punch, and I find it funny that people say Floyd can't take punches. My prediction for Mayweather-Ortiz...TKO 11 win for Mayweather. I think Floyd wants to make a big statement coming back. I see it sort of playing out like Mayweather-Hatton. The early rounds (1-4), Mayweather will most likely be feeling Ortiz out, and I expect Ortiz to catch him in 2 of the rounds with big shots. I think after 4 rounds, it will be a 2-2 fight. In the middle rounds (5-8), Floyd will settle and figure out what he can against Ortiz, who doesn't have much of a defense or jab. Floyd will pop him with single jabs and straight rights, while Ortiz will "NOT TAKE HIS TIME" and be throwing punches in bunches. Don't fool yourself into thinking he's going to try and take his time with Mayweather. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mayweather knock Ortiz down with a quick right hand in round 6 or 7 maybe. The late rounds (9-12), I see more of the same with the middle rounds, only Ortiz may tire a bit. I see Mayweahter hitting Ortiz with somehting quick and sharp in round 11, much like the Hatton knock down in round 10, and Ortiz will get up. Mayweather will take advantage and turn on the heat, maybe sending him down again or popping him at will until the ref stops the fight. TKO 11.

I could be wrong, and I certainly give Ortiz a significant chance the win the fight. Victor Ortiz is 24, a southpaw, in his prime, and strong as can be at 147. Don't sugar coat his victory of Berto. Andre Berto was undefeated and in his prime too. I will bet my life that when Berto beats Zaveck in a couple weeks, people will mention Berto as a big tiem contender again. People are righting off Ortiz and Berto like they are scrubs or bums. Ortiz is a good fighter, he didn't beat a bum in Andre Berto. He beat a prime Wleterweight Champ, that Manny Pacquiao didn't exactly step up and try to fight. By the way, when Floyd was retired and Ortiz called out Manny Pacquiao, what did the "Pacman" do???? He scheduled a fight will 38 year old Marquez, who Pacquiao already said his business was settled with him over 3 years ago, and 2 years after Floyd beat him down at Welterweight. Than Floyd stepped up and took a fight with a prime Ortiz, coming off wins. Funny world...

[ADP02]

There is the word I was looking for in this fight -- patient.

Ortiz needs to let Mayweather set the tune of this fight, not the other way around. That's what Mayweather always expects in his fights. Like I've always noted, Marquez/Pac and Marquez/Floyd can never be compared. Marquez did better in Pac fights because Pac comes to him while Marquez set the tune in the Mayweather fight. In short, he did the opposite which is not his game. Ortiz should not make the mistake of doing the same. Let Floyd start the dance and wait for his music. If nothing happens and the crowd starts booing, let them. It's Floyd they are booing, not Ortiz. Floyd will be forced to do something and fight.

:-)

If you mean that Ortiz needs to make Floyd go on offense then I believe that is a bad plan. Ortiz's defense has been his weakness. So unless Ortiz is able to improve himself defensively in a matter of months, OR they see something in Floyd's attack that they believe they can exploit, it is not the right tactic.

Ortiz does well when he lets his hands go. He needs to do that for 12 solid rounds or else. Even against lesser (offensive) opponents (eg Peterson), Ortiz managed to let them get back in the fight because Ortiz became more tentative, defensive and relatively speaking, stopped his offensive attack.

Also, you can't compare with Marquez who is a very good defensive fighter and is a superb counter puncher.

.... but maybe you mean something else?

[studentofthegam]

I felt a bit uncomfortable when Floyd said he wouldn't run against Ortiz. That He would stand and box him like he did against Mosley. That's more risky against a younger guy who has nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Floyd's going to have to put on his best defensive strategy if he's only going to stand in front of Ortiz. He might be underestimating Vic's determination a bit.

I wouldn't take chances against Vic regardless of his limited experience at welter.

If you think back Floyd has done a lot of toe to toe fighting. It wont be a huge change. We're just not used to him stating it. Business as usual. Im sure he wont be wingin punches. Besides its a proven way to beat Vic.

Floyd has lost multiple rounds in most of his recent fights. Mosley, Hatton, De la hoya, Judah, etc. And Hes fighting a guy who is strong at this weight.

Unlike Hatton and Marquez who had to jump up in weight, Ortiz is strong at this weight. And Floyd knows he would've gotten kfto by hatton at 140 and Marquez at 130-135.

My god this kid is reaching. "multiple rounds"?LOL

[4Corners]

Floyd has lost multiple rounds in most of his recent fights. Mosley, Hatton, De la hoya, Judah, etc. And Hes fighting a guy who is strong at this weight.

Unlike Hatton and Marquez who had to jump up in weight, Ortiz is strong at this weight. And Floyd knows he would've gotten kfto by hatton at 140 and Marquez at 130-135.

Mayweather-Mosley, he lost 1 or 2 rounds. Mayweather-Hatton, he lost two rounds. Mayweather-De La Hoya, he lost three rounds, and I was being generous to Oscar. Mayweather-Judah, he lost three rounds. Mayweather-Baldomir, he lost zero rounds. Mayweather-Marquez, he lost zero rounds. So, in his last six fights, he's lost a grand total of 8 rounds, in a total of 70 rounds, if you count the 10th when he knocked Hatton out.

Oh, I get it...You're one of those "Hatton was blown up at 147" people. Hatton, for your info, had fought at 147 before. Also, Hatton was trying to beat Mayweather for his Welterweight title, what'd you expect Floyd to do??? Go down to 140 and defend his 147 pound title??? Marquez, did you honestly expect Floyd, who hadn't been at 135 since 2004, to go down to 135 and fight Marquez. He's not going to pull a De La Hoya and get weight drained for no reason. And, basically, you're ssaying that Hatton at 140 vs Floyd at 140 (2005)...Hatton would have beat him??? You're crazy. Also, you're saying that Marquez at 135 vs. Floyd at 135 (2002-2003)...Marquez would have beat him. I am sorry, but I just have to disagree.

Here's a great fight... Mayweather at 130 (2001 version vs. Corrales) vs. Pacquiao at 130 (2006 version vs. Morales). I think Mayweather takes him. The absolute best version of Mayweather was either Mayweather-Corrales, when he was 24. Or, Mayweather-Gatti when he was 28. Those are the two best versions of Floyd, in my opinion. The vest version of Pacquiao that I have ever seen was Pacquiao-Barrera 1, when he was 24. Either that, or Pacquiao-Cotto when he was 30. Those are the two best versions of each fighter, that I have ever seen. It's like Ali. The two best versions of Ali were either Ali-Liston 1, when he was 22. Or, Ali-Williams when he was 24.

[Gratide]

I like Ortiz and think he has a good chance , PBF won't be able to hurt him and damn sure won't go toe to toe with a bigger younger man . Looking forward to seeing the pretty boy hit the mat and his messed up , It's gonna happen !

[Gypsy John Fury]

Floyd UD. Standard.

[maguirre]

If you mean that Ortiz needs to make Floyd go on offense then I believe that is a bad plan. Ortiz's defense has been his weakness. So unless Ortiz is able to improve himself defensively in a matter of months, OR they see something in Floyd's attack that they believe they can exploit, it is not the right tactic.

Ortiz does well when he lets his hands go. He needs to do that for 12 solid rounds or else. Even against lesser (offensive) opponents (eg Peterson), Ortiz managed to let them get back in the fight because Ortiz became more tentative, defensive and relatively speaking, stopped his offensive attack.

Also, you can't compare with Marquez who is a very good defensive fighter and is a superb counter puncher.

.... but maybe you mean something else?

It's a wishful thinking on my part. Floyd will never set the tune of this fight. Ortiz will, to his detriment. If for some mysterious reason Ortiz did exactly what I've been suggesting, Floyd might, I say might, find something strange in this fight that he hasn't seen in most of his fights. He'll find himself doing the offense especially when he is countered and being outpointed in the middle and later rounds of the fight. Defense has many forms. Being able to walk through your opponent's punches is a form of defense. It's even better at times. It takes less time because your only focus is on the target. Ortiz has the ability to counter even when hit by a solid blow.

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