Floyd lacks a war

[MARKBNLV]

Whitaker is not an ATG?

Nah J he is overrated in our era,he is a great fight not atg,if he was alltime even if questionable he would have beaten Chavez and Dlh,i think a lot of him just atg is t much to high of a standard the likes of Srl nd Roberto Duran belong in.Prime vrs prime copuld he even hang with Hearns who i consider not an atg either.

[LeG00N]

you don't have to be in the top 10 or 15 to be an ATG

Sweet Pea is an ATG.

[jrosales13]

Nah J he is overrated in our era,he is a great fight not atg,if he was alltime even if questionable he would have beaten Chavez and Dlh,i think a lot of him just atg is t much to high of a standard the likes of Srl nd Roberto Duran belong in.Prime vrs prime copuld he even hang with Hearns who i consider not an atg either.

But, Whitaker-Chavez is one of the worst robberies in the last 30 years.

He was already past it by the time he fought Oscar. His 2 fights with Rivera and Hurtado prior to Oscar shows that. And, even then he has a case in beating Oscar. Even making a PRIME Oscar look silly at times.

I mean to say prime for prime he couldn't beat Hearns means what bro? What weight are you talking about? WW? I mean if so, how's that fair? That's Hearns first weight-class, whitaker best weight-class was LW.

I mean he might not be on the level of Duran or SRL. But, both guys are top 10 - top 15 P4P ATG respectfully. I mean how many guys can get into the top 10 - top 15 list? Just cuz' you can't make that doesn't mean you're not an ATG.

But, Whitaker is very well a top 25 - top 30 ATG for sure. I think arguably inside top 20.

He's the greatest southpaw of all time IMO.

And, in the top 3 greatest defensive fighters of all time along with Pep and Locche.

And, you don't think Hearns is an ATG either?

I respectfully disagree. But, I respect your opinion. You good in my book. We just disagree here.

[Barry Halls]

I don't see how anyone could refute whitaker being an atg.

[MARKBNLV]

But, Whitaker-Chavez is one of the worst robberies in the last 30 years.

He was already past it by the time he fought Oscar. His 2 fights with Rivera and Hurtado prior to Oscar shows that. And, even then he has a case in beating Oscar. Even making a PRIME Oscar look silly at times.

I mean to say prime for prime he couldn't beat Hearns means what bro? What weight are you talking about? WW? I mean if so, how's that fair? That's Hearns first weight-class, whitaker best weight-class was LW.

I mean he might not be on the level of Duran or SRL. But, both guys are top 10 - top 15 P4P ATG respectfully. I mean how many guys can get into the top 10 - top 15 list? Just cuz' you can't make that doesn't mean you're not an ATG.

But, Whitaker is very well a top 25 - top 30 ATG for sure. I think arguably inside top 20.

He's the greatest southpaw of all time IMO.

And, in the top 3 greatest defensive fighters of all time along with Pep and Locche.

And, you don't think Hearns is an ATG either?

I respectfully disagree. But, I respect your opinion. You good in my book. We just disagree here.

How do you see a Mayweather Whitacker fight going down?and if we should consider his run at lw we have to do the same with Mosley who i consider the best fighter i have ever seen at that weight,or Micheal Moorer at lhw god i wish him and holy would have fought at 175 that would have been awesome.

[LeeVanCleef]

Maybe Ortiz will give him one. Or Khan. Or Pacquiao. Maybe.

[Johnwoo8686]

Just imagine if Floyd lost a close fight to Pac and clearly beat him in 2 rematches , it would really show alot about the guy as a fighter.

LOL, so what if Floyd EASILY beats Pac in their first fight? Does that make Floyd any less of a fighter? Your logic is messed up.

I've watched nearly all of Floyd's fights and I can tell you he HAS faced adversity. He's just so talented that he never loses control of a fight and lets it turn into a war. He's able to adjust and set the pacing every time he fights!

[MARKBNLV]

I don't see how anyone could refute whitaker being an atg.

Oh god i should delete that post,i am not saying he is not great i am saying he is not atg.How you define it is on you i think its the top 3 in any division ever,forums you have to think quick so i go on gut,i maybe wrong you maybe wrong its all opinion plain and simple.

[Barry Halls]

Oh god i should delete that post,i am not saying he is not great i am saying he is not atg.How you define it is on you i think its the top 3 in any division ever,forums you have to think quick so i go on gut,i maybe wrong you maybe wrong its all opinion plain and simple.

if top3 in each division, then i have some understanding for your statement.

[RubenSonny]

How do you see a Mayweather Whitacker fight going down?and if we should consider his run at lw we have to do the same with Mosley who i consider the best fighter i have ever seen at that weight,or Micheal Moorer at lhw god i wish him and holy would have fought at 175 that would have been awesome.

C'mon neither fought anyone worth a damn, especially Moorer who only fought journeymen - in fact he was actually having quite a lot of trouble with a few of the stiffs. Shane fought like 2 contenders and looked okay I guess but very beatable by almost any great lightweight, he actually drew a lot of criticism in those days, its only been the past few years that people have been calling him a "great lightweight" and things.