Comments Thread For: Mayweather: Forget Money, Pacquiao Must Be Tested

[Kenny MF Powers]

Let me know if im understanding correctly.

Because floyd believes he can beat pac with ease. Pac shouldnt have to test because floyd can win anyway regardless of if manny is on peds, so what does it matter if he is doping? He should get a pass because Floyd is confident he can win?

Is that really the point youre trying to make here?!? Surely its not...

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Has Floyd ever admitted that Pac is that good?
All that we've heard from him is how easy Pac would be. That "Poochiao" is one dimentional, fought his damaged leftovers, etc., etc..

Do you have any links where Floyd "made it pretty clear about what he believes" concerning Pac's unnatural development from "ordinary" to "uncharacteristically well"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUwcEFO8u0U

If you have any proof of this, then all the dissing of Pac's skills by Floyd and his fans, becomes a total contradiction. If Floyd himself admits to Pac's performance as "uncharateristically well", then it follows that his demand for ost is founded on his fear of losing to Pac. Right? All that b.s. about Pac having no chance against Floyd simply goes down the drain.

Again as I stated before, Floyd has given Manny props for his career and being a future hall of famer. The only contradiction there is is the one you're looking for. Saying that Mayweather is afraid because he's noticed something that isn't a norm in the boxing world and wants to investigate that or have blood screenings isn't really all that logical. It's the fact that Pacquiao fans see "fear," in Mayweather is what I'm getting at. They happen to see one of the basest of human emotions in an indivdual they intensy dislike, hmmmmm, not a stretch.

When it comes to Mayweather, folks are never willing to cut him the least amount of slack, by at least allowing for the possibiity that he may be motivated by something other than fear. He thinks Manny's on something and he's willing push the issue to prove it.

This fear of losing could also give credence to a common belief that he is scared of Pac. And being scared could explain his continued reluctance to commit to fight, which eventually led to people now calling him a COWARD.

Again with the "fear" thing.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUwcEFO8u0U



Again as I stated before, Floyd has given Manny props for his career and being a future hall of famer. The only contradiction there is is the one you're looking for. Saying that Mayweather is afraid because he's noticed something that isn't a norm in the boxing world and wants to investigate that or have blood screenings isn't really all that logical. It's the fact that Pacquiao fans see "fear," in Mayweather is what I'm getting at. They happen to see one of the basest of human emotions in an indivdual they intensy dislike, hmmmmm, not a stretch.

When it comes to Mayweather, folks are never willing to cut him the least amount of slack, by at least allowing for the possibiity that he may be motivated by something other than fear. He thinks Manny's on something and he's willing push the issue to prove it.



Again with the "fear" thing.

Fear is a basic human emotion. Even the bravest of them all can experience this. When somebody has shown a pattern of avoidance of major threats to his status, people will notice this. They start noticing one excuse after another and begin to recognize the real reason for this behavior.
It's not just Pac fans who see this. Numerous other people, critics, boxing analysts, writers, other boxers, etc., have made similar comments. Some go directly to the point, while others go about trying not to be so blunt.
Surely, you have come across many of these comments. If you will maintain ignorance to all the comments made in the press, on television, in blogs and in you tube, from all types of people, including members of the black community, then you are either uninformed or in complete denial. The only ones who refuse to see and accept this are mostly Floyd's diehard fans.

[Brother Jay]

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They claim without any reservation that Floyd is:

1) Undefeated - 42 have tried, 42 have failed

Actually, its 41 not 42..yet.

2) Has an exceptional ring intelligence

Confirmed.

3) The best of this generation

Arguably he is.

4) Faster

all around speed...offense and defense, yep.

5) Bigger

Than Pac? He is.

6) A very accurate puncher

One of the most accurate punchers in history, if not the most accurate according to compubox.

7) Beaten top rated fighters

He's beat the #2 and #3 P4P his last two outings, an undefeated champion prior to that, a HOFer the fight before that, and the WW Champ the fight before that, and is taking on what most believe to be the best WW out there outside of Manny this fight who is coming off a huge victory.

8) The best defensive boxer

Perhaps in boxing history.


9) Underrated KO power

I don't personally think his "KO power" is underrated but his left hook and overhand right is no joke. That is why they all back off of him or give up by the mid rds.

10) Much better than Cotto, Clottey, Williams and Margarito and would have beaten them easily had they fought.

No doubt about it. Those guys are all punching bags with little speed and we all saw what Floyd did to Hatton, and Gatti who had a similar style.




On the other hand, these people consider Pac as:

1) A midget

He is short and will give up a reach advantage to Floyd.

2) One dimensional

He's an exciting brawler with no jab or D to speak of...but I wouldn't say one dimensional...but certainly not as skilled and schooled as Floyd across the board.


3) Hype job

Yeah, considering his list of opponents recently coupled with all of the accolades, visits with the President, catchweights, ducking of Mosley before Floyd exposed him, his ducking of Mayweather and the drug testing, yeah...until he steps up and takes the tests and fights Floyd he'll seem like a hype job to many of us. Great fighter and exciting fighter...but not worthy of where some people place him.

4) Fought nothing but bums

From the Oscar fight till now, yeah, that is pretty much what has been going down. All of those fighters were either recently beaten, at the end of the line, fighting at catchweights, or already exposed and blown out by Floyd.


5) Fought Floyd's leftovers

Oscar, Hatton, Mosley, and now Marquez. The two other fights recently were tomato cans (Clottey) and cheaters who were KO'd in recent fights.


6) Easy to hit

You see his face after the Cotto and Clottey fight...and remember him running from Margarito after that body blow?


7) less accurate puncher

Statistically factual.


8) Has three losses
and two draws and has been KO'd.

9) Amateurish

Don't know who has said this.


10) Limited ring intelligence

Don't know who has said this either...but he doesn't seem like the brightest person whether in the ring or out of it based on reports and his interviews.

Based on the above claims, it would be next to impossible for Pac to win a fight against Floyd.

I totally agree.

How then can anyone explain why this group of people still demand for Pac to take Floyd's testing requirement?

The same reason why the NFL, the Olympics, MLB, and other sports test. It's to ensure all things are equal and everything is on the up n up. No questions, no unfair advantages, no BS. The better question is why is Manny so reluctant and full of so many excuses to avoid the same testing Mayweather is willing to undergo? Mayweather agreed to ring size, gloves, weight penalties, venue, money, everything...but he had this one stipulation, and he's the unreasonable one?


Yet to top it all, they justify this ridiculous demand by saying that this is to LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD!
WTF!!!

The only way it levels the playing field is if Manny is using PEDS and with the testing, he can't. Don't you think the playing field should be level? Or do you think Pac should be able to do whatever he wants and not face this kind of thing even though his opponent and others like Mosley and Ortiz and Khan and others are willing to do so. That doesn't seem fishy to you? Especially when he stands to make 50 million dollars to do so?



P.S.
Pac and Arum have now accepted Floyd's testing demands. Instead of a positive response, this group are now saying these:

If they have agreed to the demands then why did Manny just say he doesn't need Mayweather and why did Arum make up this goofy BS about May Sr. and no USADA and everything else?


1) Pac and Arum are lying. Koncz said differently.

Why all the different stories? We presently have three stories: 1. Pac doesn't need Mayweather. 2. Kontz saying something about a 3 day cutoff. 3. Arum not willing to do USADA testing.


2) A contract must first be delivered to Floyd for his approval even without any sign of Floyd's willingness to negotiate.

Huh? Negotiate on what? The testing? Floyd has been real clear and it hasnt been a sticking point with Mosley and Ortiz. Why such a big deal for Manny?


3) Pac will find another way to duck the fight.

With Floyd consistently calling him out and telling the world Manny is next, if Manny doesn't step up after the Marquez fight, then it's pretty obvious. It's time and neither Floyd nor Manny have anyone else to fight at 147 that could generate half the ppvs they would generate. "Manny, yes, you're next" Manny..."I don't need Mayweather."


Anyway, Im done. This is too easy...

Outstanding.

Too bad it will be wasted on the peasants. Trust me, they have no desire to deal in reality. Until someone beats the head peasant in ring they will continue to drone on.

I can't wait until someone beats Manny into a coma. Not because I have anything against Manny himself. But like in the old days when a village would be conquered, they would put the heads of the the village warriors on pikes as your approached the village to send a message.

Well Manny being beaten into a coma should send a message to the racist peasants worldwide.

Some will see this as harsh, but I don't see it as any more harsh than some of the things that have been said ALL OVER A PROPOSED BOXING MATCH.

[tatangb45]

Outstanding.

Too bad it will be wasted on the peasants. Trust me, they have no desire to deal in reality. Until someone beats the head peasant in ring they will continue to drone on.

I can't wait until someone beats Manny into a coma. Not because I have anything against Manny himself. But like in the old days when a village would be conquered, they would put the heads of the the village warriors on pikes as your approached the village to send a message.

Well Manny being beaten into a coma should send a message to the racist peasants worldwide.

Some will see this as harsh, but I don't see it as any more harsh than some of the things that have been said ALL OVER A PROPOSED BOXING MATCH.

As usual, you have again shown your ******ity. You insert yourself without knowing the context of that quote when it was initially made. You can't recognize a true ridicule even when it's directly place in front of your face.

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Fear is a basic human emotion. Even the bravest of them all can experience this. When somebody has shown a pattern of avoidance of major threats to his status, people will notice this. They start noticing one excuse after another and begin to recognize the real reason for this behavior.

If you don't realize your post is nonsense then there's nothing I can say that will rattle anything loose. When you fight at the level and for as long as these men have you don't categorize your opponent in fearful terms, it's a business and fights happen or don't happen for lots of reasons and fear typically has nothing to do with it. It's as if Pacquiao fans take the awe they have for their fighter and weirdly assume a guy that's as comfortable in the ring as Mayweather is afraid of their incredible bad ass. Again, I have to say this is a childish analysis that doesn't for an instant take into account the politics of boxing.

Yes fear is an emotion that's common and present in all of us, but as the Pacquiao fan uses it to refer to Mayweather, they seem to be talking about the craven kind of fear.

It's not just Pac fans who see this. Numerous other people, critics, boxing analysts, writers, other boxers, etc., have made similar comments. Some go directly to the point, while others go about trying not to be so blunt.
Surely, you have come across many of these comments. If you will maintain ignorance to all the comments made in the press, on television, in blogs and in you tube, from all types of people, including members of the black community, then you are either uninformed or in complete denial. The only ones who refuse to see and accept this are mostly Floyd's diehard fans.

I've read a lot of the supposed opinions of fans, wanna be fans, and boxing writers alike and when fear is broached facts usually never are. Looking at the way Floyd Mayweather has conducted his professional career, fear is the last thing that would motivate him and those that reach that conclusion are being willfully ignorant and simplistic as it comes to the fight game. Also, I don't buy argument ad popullum, or rather, since a lot of people erroneously think something that it must be true. In my humble opinion neither Floyd nor Manny are fearful of one another, rather it's the fans that are imbuing them with emotional characteristics neither has displayed.

I'm a Mayweather fan but I love the sport of boxing more than a mere individual.

[tatangb45]

Let me know if im understanding correctly.

Because floyd believes he can beat pac with ease. Pac shouldnt have to test because floyd can win anyway regardless of if manny is on peds, so what does it matter if he is doping? He should get a pass because Floyd is confident he can win?

Is that really the point youre trying to make here?!? Surely its not...

Your understanding of the post is wrong. It has nothing to do with giving Pac a pass. It is about Floyd demanding Pac to take his test when he and his fanatical fans consider Pac to be of no threat to Floyd. If Floyd and his fans are truly convinced that Floyd is so superior to Pac, then there should be no need for any testing. Using the excuse of "leveling the playing field" is a total b.s.. It is nothing but an attempt to disguise the fear of getting exposed.

There is not a shred of evidence of peds use by Pac to warrant a demand which Floyd never asked from his previous 40 opponents. The only logical explanation for making such a demand is that, beneath all the b.s. thrown to discredit Pac's accomplishments, is deep seated fear of a possible defeat from Pac.

[tatangb45]

If you don't realize your post is nonsense then there's nothing I can say that will rattle anything loose. When you fight at the level and for as long as these men have you don't categorize your opponent in fearful terms, it's a business and fights happen or don't happen for lots of reasons and fear typically has nothing to do with it. It's as if Pacquiao fans take the awe they have for their fighter and weirdly assume a guy that's as comfortable in the ring as Mayweather is afraid of their incredible bad ass. Again, I have to say this is a childish analysis that doesn't for an instant take into account the politics of boxing.

Yes fear is an emotion that's common and present in all of us, but as the Pacquiao fan uses it to refer to Mayweather, they seem to be talking about the craven kind of fear.



I've read a lot of the supposed opinions of fans, wanna be fans, and boxing writers alike and when fear is broached facts usually never are. Looking at the way Floyd Mayweather has conducted his professional career, fear is the last thing that would motivate him and those that reach that conclusion are being willfully ignorant and simplistic as it comes to the fight game. Also, I don't buy argument ad popullum, or rather, since a lot of people erroneously think something that it must be true. In my humble opinion neither Floyd nor Manny are fearful of one another, rather it's the fans that are imbuing them with emotional characteristics neither has displayed.

I'm a Mayweather fan but I love the sport of boxing more than a mere individual.

Fear takes many forms.

Fear of losing is paramount in any competition.
Fear of losing face and having a diminished reputation.
Fear of a decline in possible future earnings due to a loss.
Fear of getting brutally beaten.
Fear of being exposed as a fake and a cherry picker.

Fear can come out and manifest itself anytime during a boxer's career; i.e. DLH, Shane, Clottey, Cotto.

To completely take fear out as a possible cause for Floyd's pattern of avoidance of major threats is a sign of denial. And to say that others are erroneous in their judgement because it contradicts yours is nothing but an opinion that carries no greater value.

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Fear takes many forms.

Fear of losing is paramount in any competition.
Fear of losing face and having a diminished reputation.
Fear of a decline in possible future earnings due to a loss.
Fear of getting brutally beaten.
Fear of being exposed as a fake and a cherry picker.

Fear can come out and manifest itself anytime during a boxer's career; i.e. DLH, Shane, Clottey, Cotto.

To completely take fear out as a possible cause for Floyd's pattern of avoidance of major threats is a sign of denial. And to say that others are erroneous in their judgement because it contradicts yours is nothing but an opinion that carries no greater value.

I'm not taking fear out of the equation just taking it with a grain of salt when it comes from a casual fan or a Pacquiao fan; many times the two are interchangeable. Indeed fear does take many forms I'm just not seeing how fighting in the biggest PPV match ever manifests those qualities in the way you're attempting to depict. Floyd never sweats a big fight, it's been characteristically true of him to be calm and placid before a fight, again, boxing is natural to him so what he perceives is pretty different than what you can.

I say others are erroneous not because they contradict me, I'm nobody, I say they're erroneous based on logical thought processes that can be repeated. Everyone can have an opinion, it doesn't mean that everyone should be given equal credence. Sometimes people get it wrong and choose, for whatever reason, not to admit this to anyone especially themselves.

Lastly, I don't see how Mayweather losing to the likes of Manny Pacquiao reduces him as much as you claim, I think it only reduces him if folks think it's impossible for Manny to beat Floyd. But if Manny is as good as you say, Floyd will just be losing to a sensational fighter and Floyd's fans would realize this.