10-8 or 10-9

[Slyboots]

This was what I read on Boxingscene that the Judges concerned said. I know that what you say is technically true, and have seen other evidence of it in past fights, but in this particular fight, what other explanation can you give for the scoring?

I recall a Mayweather fight, in which he hurt his hand with a punch, and dropped it shaking it, accidentally touching the canvas in the process, and it was given as a KD against him.

Can you tell me what the scoring of the round was? Link by chance? And I would have to rewatch the round again to see why it was scored that way.

Heh, I saw this sorry-ass fight on PPV and have forgotten almost every second of it.

[D4thincarnation]

Can you tell me what the scoring of the round was? Link by chance? And I would have to rewatch the round again to see why it was scored that way.

Heh, I saw this sorry-ass fight on PPV and have forgotten almost every second of it.

[BoxerDood]

10-9

A perfect example of this is Pacquiao-Cotto. Pac scored a knockdown in round 3, but lost the round and it was scored 10-9 for Pac, even by HBO.

[edgarg]

It can happen and it did in Pacquiao vs Mosley.

Pacquiao dominating the round before and after the so called flash KD.

Before the KD Pacquiao was dominating, winning the round, 10-9, then the KD happened, so at that point the judges would have had it 10-9 Mosley, but then Pacquiao goes on to dominate the round still so it became a 10-9 for Pacquiao.

You know, this has become a tricky point. but the facts are CLEAR. At least they should be. No matter how much a guy is dominating a round he does not get ADDED points for dominating. His opponent LOSES points. So if MannyP is DOMINATIN a rd and suffers ; say. a flash KD, he LOSES a point for that, so the MOST he can get in that rd is 9.

If the Judges gave him a 10 that means that they totally IGNORED the ref's call as being clearly incorrect. This itself is actually illegal, as, regardless of the opinions of the judges, the refs call is FINAL, unless he reverses himself. And, I believe, that he can do so only in certain cases. It is up to the Commisiion to reverse, and they RARELY go against a ref's call.

That's why, instead of making this recent fight where Russell Mora did such a bad refereeing job, a NO CONTEST, as it should have been, they instead ordered a rematch.

Here is a famous, typical case of a Commission not going against a ref's call. In the Tyson Douglas fight, Tyson KD'd Douglas in, I think, the 8th rd. The referees count was so agonisingly slow that it came to at minimum, (and I've timed it sevberal times) of 14 seconds. So actually Tyson won that fight by a K.O. However the fight went on and Tyson was KO'd 2 rds later.

Don King kicked up a HUGE fuss about this slow count, and appealed to the Commission. They turned him down, whilst admitting that the count was slow, saying that the count doesn't go by the timekeeper but by the referee's count.

[D4thincarnation]

You know, this has become a tricky point. but the facts are CLEAR. At least they should be. No matter how much a guy is dominating a round he does not get ADDED points for dominating. His opponent LOSES points. So if MannyP is DOMINATIN a rd and suffers ; say. a flash KD, he LOSES a point for that, so the MOST he can get in that rd is 9.

If the Judges gave him a 10 that means that they totally IGNORED the ref's call as being clearly incorrect. This itself is actually illegal, as, regardless of the opinions of the judges, the refs call is FINAL, unless he reverses himself. And, I believe, that he can do so only in certain cases. It is up to the Commisiion to reverse, and they RARELY go against a ref's call.

That's why, instead of making this recent fight where Russell Mora did such a bad refereeing job, a NO CONTEST, as it should have been, they instead ordered a rematch.

Here is a famous, typical case of a Commission not going against a ref's call. In the Tyson Douglas fight, Tyson KD'd Douglas in, I think, the 8th rd. The referees count was so agonisingly slow that it came to at minimum, (and I've timed it sevberal times) of 14 seconds. So actually Tyson won that fight by a K.O. However the fight went on and Tyson was KO'd 2 rds later.

Don King kicked up a HUGE fuss about this slow count, and appealed to the Commission. They turned him down, whilst admitting that the count was slow, saying that the count doesn't go by the timekeeper but by the referee's count.

A knockdown is not an automatic point dedection, in most cases the fighter scoring the KD is in controll it is scored a 10-8.

It is a 10 point must system, so if Pacquiao edges the round it will be 10-9 in Mosley favour, if Pacquiao dominates the round it is 10-9 for Pacquiao.

Why do you think they have been no official complaints about the judges if they did not do their job properly?

[edgarg]

!!!!!

I love you edgar!

HEY THERE....calm down....... I'd rather you just "liked" me..... As it happens I like you too, I recall the many past interesting posts about boxing we exchanged.

By the way, I always had a liking for Chris Christensen, brave as a lion, and although only a skinny welterweight, would fight middleweight at the drop of a hat. As I was an admirer of Papp, he figured prominently at that time. My dear late brother's brother-in-law had married a Danish girl and I once had a Danish girl friend of whom I still have fond memories, not to mention a great interest in the Vikings and a very old copy of the Viking Sagas which I read often, I've always been interested in Denmark. And particularly since they saved the whole ***ish population in the war. And I was very much into tennis and marvelled at the Scandanavian royal families' tennis prominence at such advanced ages, etc. A lot of things.

[D4thincarnation]

You know, this has become a tricky point. but the facts are CLEAR. At least they should be. No matter how much a guy is dominating a round he does not get ADDED points for dominating. His opponent LOSES points. So if MannyP is DOMINATIN a rd and suffers ; say. a flash KD, he LOSES a point for that, so the MOST he can get in that rd is 9.

If the Judges gave him a 10 that means that they totally IGNORED the ref's call as being clearly incorrect. This itself is actually illegal, as, regardless of the opinions of the judges, the refs call is FINAL, unless he reverses himself. And, I believe, that he can do so only in certain cases. It is up to the Commisiion to reverse, and they RARELY go against a ref's call.

That's why, instead of making this recent fight where Russell Mora did such a bad refereeing job, a NO CONTEST, as it should have been, they instead ordered a rematch.

Here is a famous, typical case of a Commission not going against a ref's call. In the Tyson Douglas fight, Tyson KD'd Douglas in, I think, the 8th rd. The referees count was so agonisingly slow that it came to at minimum, (and I've timed it sevberal times) of 14 seconds. So actually Tyson won that fight by a K.O. However the fight went on and Tyson was KO'd 2 rds later.

Don King kicked up a HUGE fuss about this slow count, and appealed to the Commission. They turned him down, whilst admitting that the count was slow, saying that the count doesn't go by the timekeeper but by the referee's count.

The fighter has to beat the ref's count not the watch.

The judges did not ignore Bayless's call, Pacquiao just dominated the round before and after the KD.

[edgarg]

A knockdown is not an automatic point dedection, in most cases the fighter scoring the KD is in controll it is scored a 10-8.

It is a 10 point must system, so if Pacquiao edges the round it will be 10-9 in Mosley favour, if Pacquiao dominates the round it is 10-9 for Pacquiao.

Why do you think they have been no official complaints about the judges if they did not do their job properly?

They always expect that there will be some complaint, the judges the ref, the size of the ring, the slackness of the ropes, something. The complaint has to be VERY COMPELLING, to cause any change in the scoring. My understanding is that the only time a change can be made in the scoring is if the judge INCORRECTLY added up the figures.

An example of this was when Stevie Johnson fought Castillo to regain his title, and was given the verdict. They found that the sddition was incorrect, making the fight a DRAW instead of a narrow win for Johnson. The first Castillo knew about it was when Johnson came to his dressing room and handed him over the belt.

A poignant moment I'd bet.........

My further understanding is that a KD means an AUTOMATIC point deduction. With NO exceptions unless it can be shown to have been aided by a foul or accident such as a slip.

[edgarg]

A knockdown is not an automatic point dedection, in most cases the fighter scoring the KD is in controll it is scored a 10-8.

It is a 10 point must system, so if Pacquiao edges the round it will be 10-9 in Mosley favour, if Pacquiao dominates the round it is 10-9 for Pacquiao.

Why do you think they have been no official complaints about the judges if they did not do their job properly?

Your posts are usually matter of fact, concise, to the point, and accurate. And respect them, always and like reading them. But this time I think you are not correct.

[D4thincarnation]

They always expect that there will be some complaint, the judges the ref, the size of the ring, the slackness of the ropes, something. The complaint has to be VERY COMPELLING, to cause any change in the scoring. My understanding is that the only time a change can be made in the scoring is if the judge INCORRECTLY added up the figures.

An example of this was when Stevie Johnson fought Castillo to regain his title, and was given the verdict. They found that the sddition was incorrect, making the fight a DRAW instead of a narrow win for Johnson. The first Castillo knew about it was when Johnson came to his dressing room and handed him over the belt.

A poignant moment I'd bet.........

My further understanding is that a KD means an AUTOMATIC point deduction. With NO exceptions unless it can be shown to have been aided by a foul or accident such as a slip.

It not an automatic point deduction otherwise when you have each fighter that score a KD the round would be 9-9 or 9-8, which it isn't.