Comments Thread For: Seven Degrees of Lennox Lewis: Champ Discusses All

[ChopperRead]

You've not answered my question but nevermind.

If there are a few decent things about you Chopper and then it's not very often I see you name calling. Also, you don't resort to ignore like your comrades do so I respect you for that.

I answered it but you didn't like the answer.

I only resort to flaming when the other person is obviously just trying to irritate people and isn't interested in debate. Some people here claim they are interested in debate and the facts, but really they are only interested in hearing themselves talk (or type). Those types I don't mind flaming. But I'd rather not get into that, because it's a waste of time.

I don't think people are "morons" or whatever just because they don't agree with me. But many here are really quick to resort to that kind of thing.

[Forza]

offering 70-30 is basically ducking a fight

LL = retired by vitali

[Jedi Vader]

I answered it but you didn't like the answer.

I only resort to flaming when the other person is obviously just trying to irritate people and isn't interested in debate. Some people here claim they are interested in debate and the facts, but really they are only interested in hearing themselves talk (or type). Those types I don't mind flaming. But I'd rather not get into that, because it's a waste of time.

I don't think people are "morons" or whatever just because they don't agree with me. But many here are really quick to resort to that kind of thing.

Chopper, my question was why you choose to ignore Vitali's assertion that Lewis was in poor condition and couldn't last 5 rounds.

You never responded to why he would say that and yet still get beat to a pulp within 6 rounds.

[Die Antwoord]

Guys, thanks for the reads, much appreciated, but there's some fundamental lack of understanding of the rules going on in this thread. I'll deal with Ed first.

Eddie, you realised the article was terrible within a few paras, read it anyway, logged on, posted a long rant and will no doubt hang onto this reply yet your one chance to actually make a point and show some boxing nous and you fall on your ass, what? Are you by any chance a Surrey housewife or Mary Whitehouse. "This show sickened me from the start so I watched it all the way through and am now writing to complain, blah, blah, blah."

Lewis was 14-0, Mason 35-0 therefore Mason is favoured to win, right? OK. Oscar De La Hoya 18-0, Genaro Hernandez 32-0-1, why oh why did so many predict Oscar to win when this isn't called 'boxing' it is called 'counting' and you can clearly infer that Genaro has more wins and is therefore the guy who is going to win, no?

People with a bit of nous about the sport tend to use ring records and the '0' as a jump off for a more reasoned analysis. Mason had picked up some eye damage the previous year, his style had started to show signs of slippage and one or two people in the know knew that Lewis had amateur pedigree, Olympic gold, was the fresher pro and was on the rise, just as ODH was in the example above. So Lewis, in his opinion, had reason to disagree with Hart & as a former champ with 44 fights under his belt has earned the right to express this, he may not be quite as well placed as yourself yet he has earned the right to espouse a word or two about his own career.

As for Vitali. As one guy mentions, 'but vitali hits harder', than most. Yet this huge hitter teed off on Lennox's chin for three rounds, didn't budge him, got cut himself as his own defence is lacking and was legitimately stopped. If the KO didn't come early then it wasn't coming late.

'punches landed

Vitali 156

Lewis 102'

OK. How about this for a stat. Cuts inflicted: 1 on the nose of Lewis Vs 2 to the eye of VK, 2 bad cuts to the eye. As I say, too many modern fans think that trotting out stats proves a point. Well I'm trotting out the rules like a boring old fart and the rules clearly state that if a punch causes a cut and the cut ends the fight then a TKO defeat verdict is rendered.

As for the onus of a rematch. Lewis was at the end of his career. He can say what he likes pre-fight but on the night his legs were gone, his timing was also and he had to rely on grit and the steam on his shots. He did this and won fairly. Lewis earned the right to retire over his career. He had achieved everything he wanted to.

So this leads us onto the 'lucky' win. Yes, a 256lb man hitting another man square in the face and causing it to cut is lucky. Or it could be design seeing as the shots went out there. Luck would have been, say, Jack Dempsey getting pushed back into the ring and barely beating the count versus Firpo as it was luck that he landed near guys who cushioned his fall. Or if a ring light had fallen, hit Vitali in the eye and caused the cut, that would have been luck.

HBO, Merchant et al all jumped on Lewis post-fight, I recall Larry trying to cast it as a controversial ending when it was not, it was a legitimate TKO finish and they basically knew that most fans do not understand the rules of the sport and used this to paint an image of the fight that did not marry up to reality. This the network which had a senior member who claimed that, "I prefer both Klitschkos to Lewis as they at least stop and speak to you if they pass you on a corridor." Basically HBO had a Jones for the K2 bros at that time and thought Lewis was yesterday's news.

The outcome of HBO's courtship of the two brothers? Well they got a WBC champion who earned his stripes by beating a fat, semi-retired golfer and Danny Williams before retiring due to injury and a younger brother who whilst competent bored so many US fans in the fight with the Sultan who don't swing that HBO lost interest with the heavyweight scene, traditionally a staple of US networks.

The sport basically tried to railroad Lewis into one fight too many whilst crying its eyes out over Holyfield's refusal to retire. Can't have it both ways. Lewis timed it perfectly. Vitali had a great start but faded both in and out the ring and is now having to fight on in order to secure his own legacy after years spent bleating about a fight he lost fairly and squarely and being allowed to do so because so many people fundamentally don't understand the TKO ruling and the difference between luck and circumstance.

Holding and hitting is illegal. Lewis caused the cut by this, therefore anyone with basic boxing knowledge knows that Lewis should have been DQ'ed. I am not a boxrec warrior like this poster, I watch the fights, I am a boxing genius and Lewis lost. Pwill has a win over Lara in the record books but we all know he lost too.

[fitefanSHO]

Holding and hitting is illegal. Lewis caused the cut by this, therefore anyone with basic boxing knowledge knows that Lewis should have been DQ'ed. I am not a boxrec warrior like this poster, I watch the fights, I am a boxing genius and Lewis lost. Pwill has a win over Lara in the record books but we all know he lost too.

Kicking is illegal also and Vitali took a kick at Lewis.

[Jedi Vader]

Holding and hitting is illegal. Lewis caused the cut by this, therefore anyone with basic boxing knowledge knows that Lewis should have been DQ'ed. I am not a boxrec warrior like this poster, I watch the fights, I am a boxing genius and Lewis lost. Pwill has a win over Lara in the record books but we all know he lost too.

Ironic Klitlicking at it's supremacy.

Unbelievable.

[fitefanSHO]

4th round of a grueling, bloody battle.

Both fighter tumble to the canvas. Suddenly Vitali's leg appears to take a straight shot at Lewis' head. The foot makes no contact (luckily)...and nobody (except maybe a few in the crowd, and of course ME) notices... not Lewis and not the ref. Lewis even helps Vitali up after this and the fight resumes.

So, watch the video and you be the judge.

Did Vitali try to kick Lennox Lewis or was that something else?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9OkX...eature=related

At 3:34 of the video they tumble, seconds later comes the "kick"

You be the judge.

[Jedi Vader]

4th round of a grueling, bloody battle.

Both fighter tumble to the canvas. Suddenly Vitali's leg appears to take a straight shot at Lewis' head. The foot makes no contact (luckily)...and nobody (except maybe a few in the crowd, and of course ME) notices... not Lewis and not the ref. Lewis even helps Vitali up after this and the fight resumes.

So, watch the video and you be the judge.

Did Vitali try to kick Lennox Lewis or was that something else?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9OkX...eature=related

At 3:34 of the video they tumble, seconds later comes the "kick"

You be the judge.

Your argument will fall on deaf ears my Bro.

Some green k went your way earlier in the thread Bro.

[fitefanSHO]

I can never get Klit fans to discuss the KICK.

It's like they'd rather just ignore it, and/or act like they didn't see it.

And to think Lennox helped him up after that little stunt.

[fitefanSHO]

Mentioning the KICK in a Klit thread is like turning on the lights in a room full of roaches.