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  • The Big Dunn
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    #241
    Originally posted by sapaw
    how can you negotiate when someone is hiding on vacations status then will pop with new opponent ready?
    I am not sure what you mean. But if manny and his team negotiate in good faith i'm sure floyd will sign to fight.

    When manny's camp negotiated in good faith about 18 months ago floyd signed contract to fight. Once the contract was signed by floyd, manny suddenly said no to OST. Everything after this is BS on both sides.

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    • sapaw
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      #242
      Originally posted by Big Dunn
      I am not sure what you mean. But if manny and his team negotiate in good faith i'm sure floyd will sign to fight.

      When manny's camp negotiated in good faith about 18 months ago floyd signed contract to fight. Once the contract was signed by floyd, manny suddenly said no to OST. Everything after this is BS on both sides.
      o yeah? is that how you love floyd? Im still waiting for that signed contract floyd keep on mentioning... or its the same excuse... manny have been stop a decade ago but I will fight Ortiz who been stop 2 years ago.

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      • The Big Dunn
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        #243
        Originally posted by sapaw
        o yeah? is that how you love floyd? Im still waiting for that signed contract floyd keep on mentioning... or its the same excuse... manny have been stop a decade ago but I will fight Ortiz who been stop 2 years ago.
        Of course here we go with the love floyd etc. Manny got what he wanted then refused to sign contract. Everything after this, no matter how you or I spin it, came about because manny welched on a deal.

        I'm sure when people do that to you, you forgive them immediately and start making a new deal.

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          #244
          Originally posted by Big Dunn
          Of course here we go with the love floyd etc. Manny got what he wanted then refused to sign contract. Everything after this, no matter how you or I spin it, came about because manny welched on a deal.

          I'm sure when people do that to you, you forgive them immediately and start making a new deal.
          thing is, in the overall grand scheme of things nothing would really matter in the end. at the end of the day, floyd would still be the guy whom the majority sees as the one holding up this fight. fight not happening, no one will give a hoot.

          point is, if you fans of his are content in seeing your idol as the guy who ducked the pac fight, so be it. keep singing the same tune. you should start pointing your fingers towards floyd, if i were you.

          pac has agreed to the tests. there's really nothing more to defend pac for, if you're a pac fan as far as this fight is concerned. i mean what else do pac fans supposed to say? pac has agreed to take the tests.

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          • sapaw
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            #245
            Originally posted by Big Dunn
            Of course here we go with the love floyd etc. Manny got what he wanted then refused to sign contract. Everything after this, no matter how you or I spin it, came about because manny welched on a deal.

            I'm sure when people do that to you, you forgive them immediately and start making a new deal.
            Manny got what he wanted? is this that you claimed that Manny got what he wanted?

            10M penalty ===> Its on NSAC rules, 20% of the guaranteed purse besides that Floyd came overweight on his previous fight with marquez

            boxing Gloves ===> Manny will wear his own choice of gloves and Floyd will have his own choice

            DATE (March 13) ===> Floyd demanded that early date even Roach said PAc need more time to heal coz of his war with cotto

            Location ===> Last minute, GBP (representative of Floyd) cancel their supposed meeting with the owner of Cowboy stadium coz they dont want to fight outside Nevada.

            Purse Split 50/50 ===>PPV of Pac vs Cotto > Floyd Marquez

            what else Pac demanded that was granted by Floyd? try again

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              #246
              Originally posted by pacfan
              thing is, in the overall grand scheme of things nothing would really matter in the end. at the end of the day, floyd would still be the guy whom the majority sees as the one holding up this fight. fight not happening, no one will give a hoot.

              point is, if you fans of his are content in seeing your idol as the guy who ducked the pac fight, so be it. keep singing the same tune. you should start pointing your fingers towards floyd, if i were you.

              pac has agreed to the tests. there's really nothing more to defend pac for, if you're a pac fan as far as this fight is concerned. i mean what else do pac fans supposed to say? pac has agreed to take the tests.

              Signature is proof. Unless there is a signature there is no agreement. Manny had the chance to sign the contract, indicating his agreement. Failing to do so means there is no agreement.

              Pac fans do have popular opinion on their side. But with any situation involving PED use, history has taught us that poular opinion and the truth are not the same. So as a pac fan, I can see why you would point toward popular opinion rather than the facts.

              It's not about defending pac either. You can't defend a man who welchs on a deal. All a man has is his word. Manny has not shown his word means anything.

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              • The Big Dunn
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                #247
                Originally posted by sapaw
                Manny got what he wanted? is this that you claimed that Manny got what he wanted?

                10M penalty ===> Its on NSAC rules, 20% of the guaranteed purse besides that Floyd came overweight on his previous fight with marquez

                boxing Gloves ===> Manny will wear his own choice of gloves and Floyd will have his own choice

                DATE (March 13) ===> Floyd demanded that early date even Roach said PAc need more time to heal coz of his war with cotto

                Location ===> Last minute, GBP (representative of Floyd) cancel their supposed meeting with the owner of Cowboy stadium coz they dont want to fight outside Nevada.

                Purse Split 50/50 ===>PPV of Pac vs Cotto > Floyd Marquez

                what else Pac demanded that was granted by Floyd? try again
                Floyd came in at 146 for a 144 lb fight. I don't recall going over 147 lbs. Besides, without a dollar amount for fight you don't know what 20% will be.

                Gloves and ringsize were manny's request.

                Date was what HBO and MGM set aside for fight. The cotto stuff was not roach's reason for wanting more time.

                Purse split of 50/50, if its based on the ppv's you listed, would be unfair because pac hasn't generated as much as floyd, but that was a manny request, floyd wanted more than half.

                Don't know what else manny requested and received. I just know he decided not to sign at the last minute.

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                  #248
                  Originally posted by Big Dunn
                  Signature is proof. Unless there is a signature there is no agreement. Manny had the chance to sign the contract, indicating his agreement. Failing to do so means there is no agreement.

                  Pac fans do have popular opinion on their side. But with any situation involving PED use, history has taught us that poular opinion and the truth are not the same. So as a pac fan, I can see why you would point toward popular opinion rather than the facts.

                  It's not about defending pac either. You can't defend a man who welchs on a deal. All a man has is his word. Manny has not shown his word means anything.
                  wheres floyds signature. he keeps talking about tests, but when pac is free to talk about opponents he is nowhere to be heard or seen. he only comes out of the woodworks talking big after pac is signed to fight then goes on mini retirements. he can talk about wanting tests and the fight all he wants, but untill he actually does something about it he is bull****ting.

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                  • sapaw
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                    #249
                    Originally posted by Big Dunn
                    Signature is proof. Unless there is a signature there is no agreement. Manny had the chance to sign the contract, indicating his agreement. Failing to do so means there is no agreement.

                    Pac fans do have popular opinion on their side. But with any situation involving PED use, history has taught us that poular opinion and the truth are not the same. So as a pac fan, I can see why you would point toward popular opinion rather than the facts.

                    It's not about defending pac either. You can't defend a man who welchs on a deal. All a man has is his word. Manny has not shown his word means anything.
                    At least Pac have his word... floyd DONT have ANY and the CONTRACT you keep on bringing up. Have you seen any boxing contract that floyd keep on saying on his fighthype video?

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                      #250
                      Fact - it was both fighters egos and powerplay that has caused the Pac/May fight to not happen. Fact - Khan is willing to take the test to fight Floyd. Fact - Khan would fight Pac WITHOUT tests. That points to BOTH Pac and May to the fight not happening, period! The Pac/May fight will happen unless Ortiz and or Marquez upset the plans.

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