Bernard Hopkins has a stronger resume than any other fighter.

[Barry Halls]

ottke doesn't get respect because he is the definition of "gift decisions". Now there we can talk about getting gifts.

Ottke was a very strong amateur though, but i don't think his style translated as well to the pros.

[D4thincarnation]

Calzaghe beat Hopkins.

Hopkins had to fake low blow and crawl around on the canvas like a dog because the pace was too much for him.

He was lucky Drakulich was not reffing or he would have been counted out.

Hopkins never fought Toney.

Didn't rematch Jones till he was past it.

Fought a lot of welters and dragged middles up to 170lbs to fight them.

Mills Lane even knocked the guy out.

[ИATAS]

I'm not really comparing cause I know 160 has been there longer but it doesn't change the fact that he is one of the greatest at the weight.

Fair enough.

Ottke had many defenses as well but because he wasn't covered by the "american" media, he doesn't get as much respect.

My point was if Ottke is one of the greatest at SMW of all time, then you know the division historically aint ****. But we've covered that.

Man I'm not going to put the FACTS on weight for the 5th time to you only for the same ****** response.

What facts?? There is Oscar and there is Tito. Those are the two guys out of 20 title defenses that were so called smaller. And Tito had a MW belt so if he wanted to unify he had to fight him (would have been moronic not to fight him). It would be like Mayweather not fighting Victor Ortiz because he came from 140 pounds and beat a "weak" 147 pound champion in Berto. Or Mavin Hagler not fighting Tommy Hearns, Duran or Leonard because they came from WW.

[americanbot]

I challenge you to look at the fight again and tell me exactly which rounds you gave hopkins.

5 years? It's closer to 3.

Everyone thought it was close. Most thought it was clear. as did i.


Are we debating how calzaghe fought or are we debating who won?


So you don't think a fighter that relies on timing, fast hands and explosiveness are prone to age worse than a fighter relying on strong fundamentals and strategy?

Age has nothing to do with it. Hopkins was not a shot fighter, not even close.
Roy was.


It was a **** fight, and there was no need for a rematch. Why would there be a rematch? At that stage of Calzaghes career?

No one wanted to see it. Except for b-hop and a scarce circle of nuthuggers.
It was a horrible horrible fight.

B-hop has had a much better career than Joe. That is enough for him, just like Vitali can't run around crying over spilled milk because Lewis retired instead of re- him. The difference there is that fight at least people really wanted to see.

to be EXACT calzaghie vs hopkins was 4 years ago.

also I never said that hopkins was a shot fighter (i said that he was NO where near a prime hopkins) calzaghie was barely out of his prime or right around his prime when the fight took place. you cant compare the 2 in that regard. **** fight? only because joe was MADE to look like ****. regardless of how you liked the fight there should have been a rematch seeing as though MANY thought joe lost. at the very least people thought the fight was a toss up for ether fighter. hopkins was SCREAMING & Begging for a rematch in joes homtown & joe turned it down.

there should have been a rematch. vitali was stopped by punches caused from a power shots.....you can't compare someone having there face ripped to a gift SD win.

are we talking about calzaghie or other fighters? i have no idea how calzaghie (as an individual) would have aged......he wasn't old at all & was still somewhere around his prime. who knows how he would have aged.

[daggum]

ottke doesn't get respect because he is the definition of "gift decisions". Now there we can talk about getting gifts.

Ottke was a very strong amateur though, but i don't think his style translated as well to the pros.

31-0(undefeated), 21 title defenses, unified belts, fought everyone in his division except the coward from wales. he even had knockout power(unlike slappy early stoppage joe). what more could he do?

[Mr. Fantastic]

Fair enough.



My point was if Ottke is one of the greatest at SMW of all time, then you know the division historically aint ****. But we've covered that.



What facts?? There is Oscar and there is Tito. Those are the two guys out of 20 title defenses that were so called smaller. And Tito had a MW belt so if he wanted to unify he had to fight him (would have been moronic not to fight him). It would be like Mayweather not fighting Victor Ortiz because he came from 140 pounds and beat a "weak" 147 pound champion in Berto. Or Mavin Hagler not fighting Tommy Hearns, Duran or Leonard because they came from WW.

Funny how you're only covering the 160 division. It's cool though. You're a stan and I understand Hopkins can't do no wrong in your book.

[Spray_resistant]

Is Americanbot a confirmed troll or something? It seems like he could be, but I've hardly seen him post before. Really don't wanna waste my time.

Yeah a total troll, don't bother.

[Alx.]

noone can doubt bhop's resume

[Barry Halls]

31-0(undefeated), 21 title defenses, unified belts, fought everyone in his division except the coward from wales. he even had knockout power(unlike slappy early stoppage joe). what more could he do?

He could have actually won all the fight he got credited for.

He could have also left his native germany, but thats not a big thing for me.

Yeah a total troll, don't bother.

I suspected that. Thank you.

[D4thincarnation]

31-0(undefeated), 21 title defenses, unified belts, fought everyone in his division except the coward from wales. he even had knockout power(unlike slappy early stoppage joe). what more could he do?

He could have gotten his promoter to stop paying of the judges and ref to fix his fights.

That would have been nice.