Are steroids in boxing over-rated?

[Pinoy4ever]

Well steroids can't make U stronger or faster that we do know.
But they can make U bigger and move up in weight easier.

[JoeDaWg]

It's hard to say because none of us know just who is taking what, and very, very few of us understand the effects that all of these different substances have on the human body. In some instances it seems like even the experts may not fully know because of how quickly new PEDs are created.

Based upon the cases I know of, I don't think the effects have been particularly impressive.

I don't think Shane or Vargas looked any better for their fights with DLH than in the rest of their careers. Shane actually looked worse in the rematch. But of course, I am assuming that the only time they took drugs, they got found out. It's more likely that they did it for other fights but were able to get away with it.

If Holyfield was using steroids throughout his career then I do believe they helped him add lean muscle to his frame and become a more effective heavyweight. With Toney it's harder to say, but it seems like his aim was to add muscle in order to be bigger and stronger considering how undersized he was at HW. I'm not sure to what extent that worked, I think the Toney that beat Jirov would've beat John Ruiz. But who knows? And perhaps he was on something for the Jirov fight as well, although I really hope that isn't the case.


Roy Jones and Stevie Johnston both seemed to get a pass and I guess it comes down to what you choose to believe about their test results. But if they were taking anything, it was during the highest points of their careers and so that would certainly suggest the effectiveness of PEDs.

You raise an interesting point about steroids being more useful for some sports than others. Maybe they don't work as well in boxing, or maybe we've only seen the tip of the iceberg. I'm undecided.

I totally agree. Im still undecided as well. Its hard to tell how much they help, but its obvious they do something, or dudes wouldnt be doing them. Ive been getting pissed off we talk about peds so much and i think maybe some posters have gotten the wrong idea. I totally agree that roids are a big problem, i just disagree that they are some kind of magical super pill that turns u into rambo. Ive never boxed, and ive never taken roids, so im really open to changing my mind. Right now i think its being over blown, and i use zab as an example. If vic conte cant turn zab into a monster, that speaks volumes to me.

[GoogleMe]

Testosterone makes you stronger, able to train longer, recover faster and such. So it's a major benefit. Even a style like Mayweather (defensive), would maybe grant the most benefits, as his power would increase.
Human growth hormone can also make you faster, strengthen your bones and such...

These things are not enhancing your performance?? Come on...

[straightleft]

I totally agree. Im still undecided as well. Its hard to tell how much they help, but its obvious they do something, or dudes wouldnt be doing them. Ive been getting pissed off we talk about peds so much and i think maybe some posters have gotten the wrong idea. I totally agree that roids are a big problem, i just disagree that they are some kind of magical super pill that turns u into rambo. Ive never boxed, and ive never taken roids, so im really open to changing my mind. Right now i think its being over blown, and i use zab as an example. If vic conte cant turn zab into a monster, that speaks volumes to me.

As I said to my other post, PED won't give will power, heart, determination, etc..in which surely Zab was lacking even though Conte (PED) and Pernell (strategy) were in his corner plus his skills, experiences, speed and power didn't able to help him either.

[Prince Mongo]

PED technology use is now light years past straight Steroid use. There are many more designer PEDs that can be used at different points in training and for different effects.Many that can be very difficult to detect and the masking science is right up there as well. I know a personal trainer and he is certain that a lot of top performers in sport are on PEDs and has no doubt at all in a physical sport such as boxing there are huge advantages to be gained from PEDs. However they should be seen as amplifyers enhancing the athletes performance. They can make a great boxer better but won't make a nobody into a superman.

[Jim Tom]

This is not a pacquiao mayweather thread, please repeat ur repetitive arguments somewhere else. I just want to know ur opinion on steroids and their place in boxing. There are two major points ive been thinking about.

1) I think its clear roids dont have the same benefits across every sport. In baseball its plainly obvious they do a great deal of help. But u never even hear about them in basketball, where increased muscle mass can be a hindrance. I pretty much assume the majority of football players roided up so im not going to mention it. What effect do u think roids have on boxers? How much do u think they benefit?

The reason i ask is really zab judah. The guy works with vic conte (the roid super hero), comes out ripped as ***, and cant even make it six rounds??? Then u have the vargez example, plenty of talent, plenty of roids, lack luster results. Im completely convinced roids have a noticeable impact on a boxers performance, so dont misunderstand me. All im asking is how much of a benefit do u think is there? I think its plainly obvious they dont turn u into superman. U dont just start walking through punches. They cant take a looser and turn them into a winner.

I think roids are a BIG problem in boxing and the testing methods need immediate improvement. But i also think we as boxing fans are getting carried away with the impression that roids alone can turn u into some sort of unstoppable terminator. U thoughts?

I've used PED's before and they really do what they say,improve performance.I remember when i could only bench 60kgs,then I took ******.The following day I could bench 100kgs with no change in diet.I would hit the heavy bag and it would swing like crazy,the guys at my gym refused to spar with me.mind you ****** is a weak steroid and not even meant to increase your strength so to speak.
When I played rugby a few supplements greatly improved my stamina,made me quick and explosive.I could ride through tackles I couldnt before those supplements.The supplements werent banned though.
I once bought some supplements on Conte's website,they reduce fatigue by transporting all waste away from the muscle's etc.They also increase your concentration and enhance your accuracy,things you wouldnt ordinarily do.
The zab case is different,Zab has always been ripped without steroids,he's just weak mentally.zab is a bully and once you stand up to him he quits.

[straightleft]

Testosterone makes you stronger, able to train longer, recover faster and such. So it's a major benefit. Even a style like Mayweather (defensive), would maybe grant the most benefits, as his power would increase.
Human growth hormone can also make you faster, strengthen your bones and such...

These things are not enhancing your performance?? Come on...

Faster and stronger? lol! Maybe bigger and more stamina but this is boxing where the only benefit you will get from PED is to allowed you to train longer. You will only get stonger if you are bigger than your opponent but in boxing you have to follow your weight division. You can bulk yourself up and so your opponent as well but still you have to make weight and you might end up weight draining yourself in the process but speed and punching power? You have to be born with it.

[chav]

Any activity where you body breaks down and needs to repair, steroids are a massive help as you can do twice the work load of someone not on them because you are stronger and with the protein synthesis you repair ******ly fast and by the next day are raring to go when someone else might be fatigued and their muscles still broken down, yours will be ahead of theirs significantly, so you will be leaner, stronger and fresher all the next day while the guy using his natural genetics will probably not be able to work at the same intensity as you getting the same benefits as you.

They are banned in all sports because the advantages are so great.They enable genetically average people to all of a sudden become genetically gifted and able you to enjoy the full range of benefits to body and mind.

It doesn't mean you will always win though if you use them, but it doesn't give you an advantage over what you would normally bring to the table.

[Dat]

This is not a pacquiao mayweather thread, please repeat ur repetitive arguments somewhere else. I just want to know ur opinion on steroids and their place in boxing. There are two major points ive been thinking about.

1) I think its clear roids dont have the same benefits across every sport. In baseball its plainly obvious they do a great deal of help. But u never even hear about them in basketball, where increased muscle mass can be a hindrance. I pretty much assume the majority of football players roided up so im not going to mention it. What effect do u think roids have on boxers? How much do u think they benefit?

The reason i ask is really zab judah. The guy works with vic conte (the roid super hero), comes out ripped as ***, and cant even make it six rounds??? Then u have the vargez example, plenty of talent, plenty of roids, lack luster results. Im completely convinced roids have a noticeable impact on a boxers performance, so dont misunderstand me. All im asking is how much of a benefit do u think is there? I think its plainly obvious they dont turn u into superman. U dont just start walking through punches. They cant take a looser and turn them into a winner.

I think roids are a BIG problem in boxing and the testing methods need immediate improvement. But i also think we as boxing fans are getting carried away with the impression that roids alone can turn u into some sort of unstoppable terminator. U thoughts?

How can a lot of boxing fans NOT get carried away with this steroids thing when the Mayweathers are constantly yakking about it?

As a non-Pacquiao and non-Mayweather fan, it appears to me that the Mayweathers are so much obsessed with Pacquiao and their so-called anti-steroid crusade that they don't realize that the more they talk about these things the more ridiculous they appear. They're supposed to be talking & focusing on Ortiz & their upcoming fight and yet they're still thinking and talking and obsessing about Pacquiao.

Roids will make you stronger and may improve your endurance but it won't improve your boxing skills.

If Floyd is really as good as he says he is, what we should be hearing from him is "Pacquiao take all the steroids you want because at the end of the day when we get in the ring my skills will beat you." Unless Floyd's not so confident with his skills.

Anyway I hope Ortiz knocks out Floyd so that boxing fans that are non-Mayweather and non-Pacquiao fans can have some peace and quiet.

[Clegg]

I've used PED's before and they really do what they say,improve performance.I remember when i could only bench 60kgs,then I took ******.The following day I could bench 100kgs with no change in diet.

This does not sound believable to me.