Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez: I'll Take The Tests to Fight Mayweather

[Brother Jay]

best fighter out there = accolade
p4p fighter = accolade

same thing dude. don't tell me you actually think they're different?

damn you guys are effing hypocrites.

People knowing your the best and winning an award for things you haven't done are NOT the same thing.

Juan Manuel Marquez was always the best out of the big 3(Barrera, Morales Marquez), but they ducked him for years. People knew Marquez was the best boxer between the three of them. All one would need is eyes to see the truth.
The truth is not a accolade, peasant. It is reality. There is no spin to it.

Now, calling someone P4P#1 and Boxer of the Year for beating boxers who were LITERALLY JUST beaten by other WWs and hadn't had significant wins since is very debatable and spinnable. Those are MEDIA AWARDS.

Its a BESTOWED award that's given, not earned. Its subjective, not factual or truthful. They've given Pacquiao credit for wins over DLH, Hatton and Cotto like Floyd and Margarito didn't just beat them! They even gave Manny "Fighter of the Year" for those wins. LOL! How does that work? So if Cotto beats Paul Williams next will that make Cotto "Fighter of the Year"? No? I wonder why?? How does beating a defeated fighter qualify you as "the best"? Seriously?

When you go by records(numbers), punch statistics(numbers) and quality of opposition at the time when you fought them(facts and numbers), you then figure out who is the best by using that criteria.

Its the same as Floyd Mayweather being the biggest draw and earner by calculating the numbers. You can't argue with the numbers.

But that's what *******ed peasants continue to do: Argue against facts with opinions, and numbers with conjecture. Its become their M.O.

you call out Pac for not fighting martinez, yet floyd keeps on mentioning Pac AND TOTALLY IGNORES MARTINEZ.

Martinez is fighting closer to SMW than he is to WW. Floyd should just call out Andre Ward, huh? Shades of Roy Jones Jr. You know Floyd was 106 like Pac. Floyd went to the Olympics while Pac turned pro. Pac hasn't done anything special. Writers just know how to make it seem like other boxers debuted at WW while making it seem like Pacquiao was the only one to climb the divisions.

Pacquiao is 2" shorter than both Floyd and Shane. Cut that "he's too small" **** out. Pacquiao hasn't fought a fighter that someone hadn't just beaten since 2008. Pacquiao hasn't beaten a fighter who was on top since Marquez, and that is VERY debatable. Why can't Pacquiao fight a top guy before Floyd HAS TO? If you believe that Pacquiao is P4P#1, why doesn't he act like it? Why is Manny Pacquiao constantly fighting ranked 5th fighters???

Wouldn't a match with Martinez be seen as Pacquiao conquering a top fighter rather than kicking a 5th ranked fallen fighter when he's still down? Do you admit this much?

i WANT both Pac and floyd to face him... at 154.

Sure you do, but you like Pacquiao NEED Mayweather to show you how to win first. Pacquiao always chases down other WW's fallen foes with a contract in one hand and a pen in the other.

but you all hate on Pac EXCLUSIVELY for not facing Martinez.

Oh give me a break. No one expects Pacquiao to do ANYTHING that another WW
hasn't done first. Are you kidding? This isn't even a jab at Manny! Its fact. Manny Pacquiao has not in, his last 6 going on 7 fights, fought anyone that hasn't been beaten by another WW first. Pac will be fighting a jrMW after Marquez .. claiming to still be "too small" even though he's 2 inches shorter that Floyd. Talk about hypocrisy.

just shows you are just a bunch of fanboys, nothing more.

In just a few posts I've written more about boxing itself than you have in all your posts on this site. Don't kid yourself. If Floyd was pulling what Pacquiao has pulled I would be throwing bricks at his asss too.

I support Floyd because he's done what a champion is supposed to do. Peasants biggest criticism of him is that he didn't fight Margarito or Cotto ... both of which weren't even relevant when he was fighting in 2007 .. and both of whom lost within a 12 month period. Not even 12 months before you're knocked off the throne means you weren't **** from the beginning.

If you're not a fan boy, then answer me this:

Why is Pacquiao considered an elite fight for beating 5th ranked guys? You're telling me that has nothing to do with media hype and promotion?

If you're not a fan boy, explain to me why Pacquiao has targeted ONLY boxers who lose in his last six fights? Why won't Pacquiao fight a top WW guy coming off a win?

I know you can answer these question HONESTLY. Your response will say alot about your integrity.

We'll see.

[AFighter4U]

People knowing your the best and winning an award for things you haven't done are NOT the same thing.

Juan Manuel Marquez was always the best out of the big 3(Barrera, Morales Marquez), but they ducked him for years. People knew Marquez was the best boxer between the three of them. All one would need is eyes to see the truth.
The truth is not a accolade, peasant. It is reality. There is no spin to it.

Now, calling someone P4P#1 and Boxer of the Year for beating boxers who were LITERALLY JUST beaten by other WWs and hadn't had significant wins since is very debatable and spinnable. Those are MEDIA AWARDS.

Its a BESTOWED award that's given, not earned. Its subjective, not factual or truthful. They've given Pacquiao credit for wins over DLH, Hatton and Cotto like Floyd and Margarito didn't just beat them! They even gave Manny "Fighter of the Year" for those wins. LOL! How does that work? So if Cotto beats Paul Williams next will that make Cotto "Fighter of the Year"? No? I wonder why?? How does beating a defeated fighter qualify you as "the best"? Seriously?

When you go by records(numbers), punch statistics(numbers) and quality of opposition at the time when you fought them(facts and numbers), you then figure out who is the best by using that criteria.

Its the same as Floyd Mayweather being the biggest draw and earner by calculating the numbers. You can't argue with the numbers.

But that's what *******ed peasants continue to do: Argue against facts with opinions, and numbers with conjecture. Its become their M.O.

so Martinez is now a ******* peasant for calling Pac THE P4P #1?

"Its a BESTOWED award that's given, not earned. Its subjective, not factual or truthful."

so let me get this straight. Martinez was merely being subjective, not factual or "truthful" when he said pac was P4P #1.

you calling Martinez a liar?

Martinez is fighting closer to SMW than he is to WW. Floyd should just call out Andre Ward, huh? Shades of Roy Jones Jr. You know Floyd was 106 like Pac. Floyd went to the Olympics while Pac turned pro. Pac hasn't done anything special. Writers just know how to make it seem like other boxers debuted at WW while making it seem like Pacquiao was the only one to climb the divisions.

Pacquiao is 2" shorter than both Floyd and Shane. Cut that "he's too small" **** out. Pacquiao hasn't fought a fighter that someone hadn't just beaten since 2008. Pacquiao hasn't beaten a fighter who was on top since Marquez, and that is VERY debatable. Why can't Pacquiao fight a top guy before Floyd HAS TO? If you believe that Pacquiao is P4P#1, why doesn't he act like it? Why is Manny Pacquiao constantly fighting ranked 5th fighters???

Wouldn't a match with Martinez be seen as Pacquiao conquering a top fighter rather than kicking a 5th ranked fallen fighter when he's still down? Do you admit this much?

you didn't answer my statement. again. you criticize pac ONLY and not floyd for NOT even acknowledging martinez? sheeeesh!

congratulations! you managed to use THREE PARAGRAPHS to NOT answer my single point.

Sure you do, but you like Pacquiao NEED Mayweather to show you how to win first. Pacquiao always chases down other WW's fallen foes with a contract in one hand and a pen in the other.

what that heck are you talking about? what does what Pac NEED have to do with what i want?

whether Pac fights Martinez first or Floyd fights martinez first, either way, i'd be VERY HAPPY to see those fights happen.

Oh give me a break. No one expects Pacquiao to do ANYTHING that another WW
hasn't done first. Are you kidding? This isn't even a jab at Manny! Its fact. Manny Pacquiao has not in, his last 6 going on 7 fights, fought anyone that hasn't been beaten by another WW first. Pac will be fighting a jrMW after Marquez .. claiming to still be "too small" even though he's 2 inches shorter that Floyd. Talk about hypocrisy.

there you go again. skirting the issue by pointing out to someone else. i'm talking about YOU BEING A HYPOCRITE and not about Pac or floyd.

basically, you hate on Pac for not challenging Martinez but to you floyd gets a free pass for doing the very same thing.

In just a few posts I've written more about boxing itself than you have in all your posts on this site. Don't kid yourself. If Floyd was pulling what Pacquiao has pulled I would be throwing bricks at his asss too.

I support Floyd because he's done what a champion is supposed to do. Peasants biggest criticism of him is that he didn't fight Margarito or Cotto ... both of which weren't even relevant when he was fighting in 2007 .. and both of whom lost within a 12 month period. Not even 12 months before you're knocked off the throne means you weren't **** from the beginning.

If you're not a fan boy, then answer me this:

Why is Pacquiao considered an elite fight for beating 5th ranked guys? You're telling me that has nothing to do with media hype and promotion?

If you're not a fan boy, explain to me why Pacquiao has targeted ONLY boxers who lose in his last six fights? Why won't Pacquiao fight a top WW guy coming off a win?

I know you can answer these question HONESTLY. Your response will say alot about your integrity.

We'll see.

in just a few posts?

dude. how many paragraphs was that? i'd hate to see what you consider a lot of posts.

and what did you do with those "few" posts?

nothing.

just skirting the issues and going out of topic.

typical.

and unlike you, i WILL answer your question:

Margarito won his fight before Pac.
Cotto won his fight before Pac.
Hatton won his fight before Pac.
DLH won his fight before Pac.
Diaz won his fight before Pac.
Marquez won both of his fights before Pac.

Pacquiao is considered an elite for beating the best. (except mosley. the man was shot as heck and Pac should have fought him earlier)

no less than the boxing writers of america voted him fighter of the decade. if you disagree, then its your right to do so. but to dismiss such an accolade just because you disagree with them is quite petty in your part.

[Fighting Pride]

Hahaha, good luck Sergio. Wouldn't be holding my breath on that though. Floyd only fights guys seen as threats when they're past their best and coming off a couple of years layoff. Maybe Martinez should go on vacation for a year or two, that might help his chances.

[WalkerSmith1921]

Why should Pacquiao even take the blood test when he has passed all the test given tO himin the pass?

Pacquiao never in his life took a rdt. Anyone boxer can pass the Nevada or any other commissioner's test that isn't random.
Why are so many of Manny's fans blind when it comes to drug testing? The reason Mayweather wants random is because noone can cheat!!!

[AFighter4U]

Pacquiao never in his life took a rdt. Anyone boxer can pass the Nevada or any other commissioner's test that isn't random.
Why are so many of Manny's fans blind when it comes to drug testing? The reason Mayweather wants random is because noone can cheat!!!

first of all, get it out of your head the lie that no one can cheat the random blood tests.

Victor Conte had been laughing at olympic blood tests for YEARS, helping olympians cheat it with impunity.

check the history of floyd's so-called random blood tests and it has a dismal record. heck, urine testing has a much better record than those blood tests.

that said, i WANT Pac to take those tests nonetheless to finally make his detractors shut it.

[AllEyesOpen]

honestly, If either Pac or May want to be consider the 1 true p4p king of our generation, no questions, without fighting each other then all roads lead to Martinez.

[AFighter4U]

honestly, If either Pac or May want to be consider the 1 true p4p king of our generation, no questions, without fighting each other then all roads lead to Martinez.

pity about Martinez.

if the guy would simply stop daydreaming of fighting both Pac and Floyd and MAKE HIS OWN MARK by going even further up in weight, he would possibly get the recognition he deserves.

don't get me wrong. i do want to see a Pac/Martinez or Floyd/Martinez fight at 154. But who are we kidding? those fights are most likely not gonna happen.

somebody in his entourage aught to encourage him to take more risks in the higher weights and make his mark. and soon.

he ain't getting any younger.

[Brother Jay]

so Martinez is now a ******* peasant for calling Pac THE P4P #1?

"Its a BESTOWED award that's given, not earned. Its subjective, not factual or truthful."

so let me get this straight. Martinez was merely being subjective, not factual or "truthful" when he said pac was P4P #1.

Absolutely. P4P is not a title. Its a term. Sergio has said many times that Mayweather is the superior fighter. P4P is something the media calls Pacquiao. Hell, Pacquiao is only 2" shorter than Floyd and Shane but woun't fight WWs at 147. He wouldn't let Margarito fight at 154lbs. Ain't nothing P4P about that!

you calling Martinez a liar?

I'm saying Martinez will say whatever he has to in order to get a huge payday.

you didn't answer my statement. again. you criticize pac ONLY and not floyd for NOT even acknowledging martinez? sheeeesh!

I don't criticize either of them for not fighting a guy competing at MW. I just don't understand *******ed peasants demanding that Floyd go up when Manny is only 2" shorter. The hell with 154 .. Manny wasn't even fight prime guys who weighed 147!

congratulations! you managed to use THREE PARAGRAPHS to NOT answer my single point.

You're welcome!

what that heck are you talking about? what does what Pac NEED have to do with what i want?

Its what all *******ed peasants do: They support Pacquiao outrageous agenda as if they were on his team. For instance, *******s have been saying that Floyd shouldn't be asking for USADA! WTF?!?!?

whether Pac fights Martinez first or Floyd fights martinez first, either way, i'd be VERY HAPPY to see those fights happen.

So would I!! But going by the way Pacquiao has conducted his career for the last 3 years, he won't be fighting ANYONE who is on top unless they are below 147.

there you go again. skirting the issue by pointing out to someone else. i'm talking about YOU BEING A HYPOCRITE and not about Pac or floyd.

I'm not a hypocrite. I am not asking Pacquiao to do ANYTHING I wouldn't ask Floyd to do. The difference is that Floyd actually delivers. My criticism of Manny has NOTHING TO DO WITH MARTINEZ!!! My criticism of Pacquiao has to do with him seeking 5 vacant belts, using rehydration clauses, catchweights and targeting fallen fighters instead of reigning champions.

Do you understand that now?

basically, you hate on Pac for not challenging Martinez but to you floyd gets a free pass for doing the very same thing.

Man .. I hate on Pac for not challenging any winning fighter that isn't below 147. The fact is that Pacquiao simply doesn't fight winners unless they are lightweights. PERIOD. This thread is about Martinez so of course he was the subject, but the real criticism concerning Pacquiao and Martinez is that Pacquiao will wait for someone else to do it first. He waited for his last 6 opponents to get beat by other WWs before he would even CONSIDER fighting them. He turned Mosley down for YEARS until Floyd dominated him.

You're either really ****** or pretending to be so not to admit Pacquiao does this. The message is clear: LET PACQUIAO FIGHT SOMEONE ON TOP FIRST!!!!

in just a few posts?

dude. how many paragraphs was that? i'd hate to see what you consider a lot of posts.

and what did you do with those "few" posts?

nothing.

just skirting the issues and going out of topic.

typical.

and unlike you, i WILL answer your question:

Margarito won his fight before Pac.
Cotto won his fight before Pac.
Hatton won his fight before Pac.
DLH won his fight before Pac.
Diaz won his fight before Pac.
Marquez won both of his fights before Pac.

Pacquiao is considered an elite for beating the best. (except mosley. the man was shot as heck and Pac should have fought him earlier)

Dude, do you know how you're full of dog ****?

When Pacquiao fought his last 6 opponents all but one was ranked 5th. That's fighting the best? Cotto went to #4 for fighting Jennings for a vacant title and getting a gift against Clottey.

Best? Seriously? How the fcuk are #5 fighters the best? Where you live does the 5th place candidate win the election? WTF? Are you seriously hailing tune ups as signs of victory for those guys? Hahahaha .. silly peasant. Your backwards way of being makes sense now.

no less than the boxing writers of america voted him fighter of the decade. if you disagree, then its your right to do so. but to dismiss such an accolade just because you disagree with them is quite petty in your part.

I don't disagree. They voted him in. My question is simply for doing what? Pacquiao hasn't beaten someone who wasn't coming off the worst loss of their career since Marquez. And if Pacquiao was voted FOTD for beating Marquez, then yes, I strongly disagree because he didn't beat Marquez either time.

For beating Erik Morales? Morales was coming off of a loss!

For beating DLH or Hatton? They were NOT on top after losing to Floyd.

For beating Cotto? Cotto was damaged by Margarito and everyone has been saying it. Cotto was NOT on top.

For beating Clottey? Clottey has NEVER won a significant match, and had just lost to Cotto!

For beating Margarito? Margarito was banned! Not only that, but he came in completely dehydrated. 150lbs? Are you joking?

For beating Mosley? Mosley was #1 when Floyd fought him. After that Shane got a draw. Then after 2 years of ducking and refusing, Pacquiao was willing to fight him!

I'm asking ... WHERE IS THE GREATNESS???

Those are the facts and statistics. Facts and numbers are NOT petty. They don't lie either. If Manny had beaten DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito and Mosley when they were all prime, or on top, or fighting at comfortable weights or just not coming off the worst loss of their careers I would be giving Manny the same credit.

I understand now why you give Manny all credit. You come from a place where #5 is the best. I just don't agree that someone who takes on lesser challenges should be given the credit that those who take on greater challenges get. Its that simple.

You have no compunctions when ignoring the fact that fighting a champion is not the same as fighting a challenger. That's obvious because you give Pacquiao the equal credit when he sought 5 vacant titles to claim he was a multi-division champion.

You have no reservations when pretending that making weight stipulations doesn't completely affect the outcome of a match. That's obvious because you give Manny equal credit when he used catchweights and used rehydration clauses to sweat those WWs down to a lethargic crawl. DLH has gone on record and said this!

IMO, that's not greatness. In many eyes, that's not greatness. When you have to make statements like "C'mon man, he's a little guy" to attempt to make Pacquiao's accomplishments seem legit, then its already understood that he's a "little man" who needs "special considerations".

[AllEyesOpen]

pity about Martinez.

if the guy would simply stop daydreaming of fighting both Pac and Floyd and MAKE HIS OWN MARK by going even further up in weight, he would possibly get the recognition he deserves.

don't get me wrong. i do want to see a Pac/Martinez or Floyd/Martinez fight at 154. But who are we kidding? those fights are most likely not gonna happen.

somebody in his entourage aught to encourage him to take more risks in the higher weights and make his mark. and soon.

he ain't getting any younger.

Martinez is, at least in my opinion, about as high as weight as he's gonna go, and he already makes for a small mw.

Besides that, I honestly believe that there's nothing for him in the higher weighclasses, other then continuing to be a work horse and beating tough top notch opponents, no recognition or big $$$ to be had unless he gets in there with Pac or May, and honestly i don't mind it. People act like all Martinez has ever wanted was a big payday, but he's given us some of the best fights in recent history and i think he deserves a big money fight at this point.

[WESS]

then you're calling martinez an idiot since at one time he himself said Pac was too small for him... but floyd wasn't.

but now for some reason, Pac is no longer too small for him as well..





best fighter out there = accolade
p4p fighter = accolade

same thing dude. don't tell me you actually think they're different?

damn you guys are effing hypocrites.

you call out Pac for not fighting martinez, yet floyd keeps on mentioning Pac AND TOTALLY IGNORES MARTINEZ.

i WANT both Pac and floyd to face him... at 154.

but you all hate on Pac EXCLUSIVELY for not facing Martinez.

just shows you are just a bunch of fanboys, nothing more.

Are you talking about Mr Vacant title collector, Manny Pac? lol All those vacant titles you call accolades are greater than fighting the Champion who actually held the title? Like Martinez who wanted HIS JMW title back (which was stripped) and Pac then fought a banned WW for it but wouldn't fight the CHAMPION who (key word) EARNED it? Why didn't Pac fight the #1 WW Mosley? Why not Floyd instead of Clottey (who still hasn't won a fight in 2008)?

Calling Pac the best fighter out there and P4P best based of strategic mach making while avoiding the CURRENT champions would be like calling Roy Jones Jr THE HW Champion when he beat Ruiz who beat Holyfied who beat Tyson (which is who Jones Jr wanted to fight in the first place). Pac fights for vacant tiles at stipulated weights vs fighters on losing streaks.

Mayweather again is fighting one of the TOP prime WW's coming off a GREAT win. When has Pac done that? When has Pac fought a CURRENT Champion who's defending HIS belt and coming off a great win?

Lets hope Pac can get his scandalous ($26 million) team together so we can get the stories straight for the testing. Maybe then we can get a fight. As of now everyone knows there holding up the fight. Which is one of the main reasons Pac is firing the POS adviser. Now he just needs to fire Bob.