Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez: I'll Take The Tests to Fight Mayweather

[WESS]

Martinez is, at least in my opinion, about as high as weight as he's gonna go, and he already makes for a small mw.

Besides that, I honestly believe that there's nothing for him in the higher weighclasses, other then continuing to be a work horse and beating tough top notch opponents, no recognition or big $$$ to be had unless he gets in there with Pac or May, and honestly i don't mind it. People act like all Martinez has ever wanted was a big payday, but he's given us some of the best fights in recent history and i think he deserves a big money fight at this point.

I've been wanting to see it and consider Martinez a HELL of a lot bigger challenge for Floyd than Pac will ever be. The career JMW Martinez is shorter than De La Hoya and at JMW Mayweather can make it happen. I just don't see it until later and by that point Floyd will be called out for fighting an old man. EVEN if he knocks out every single guy from here on out. People love hindsight with Floyd's opposition. Right now they want Pac and until then nothing counts or mattes no matter who it is. After Pac there will be someone else lined up and so forth... same shyt different restroom

Hopefully next year when Pac finally gets rid of all the scandalous people in his Team and they actually come to the table without excuses (all 8) that we've been manually fed for the last 2 years we will see Pac finally come to the table ready to fight (hopefully with bob keeping his mouth shut).

[AFighter4U]

I'm saying Martinez will say whatever he has to in order to get a huge payday.

so he's no better than a snake oil salesman or a sleazy used car salesman who say anything just to make a sale.

and a liar, since apparently he would say WHATEVER HE HAS to get a payday.

got it.

I don't criticize either of them for not fighting a guy competing at MW. I just don't understand *******ed peasants demanding that Floyd go up when Manny is only 2" shorter. The hell with 154 .. Manny wasn't even fight prime guys who weighed 147!

where the heck do you get "*******s" wanting floyd to go up?

last time i checked, EVERYONE wants to see the Pac/Floyd fight at 147. that is practically the ONE thing everyone is in agreement.

BOTH Pac and floyd fought at 154 (technically for pac since he fought at catchweight of 150)

what's so wrong with expecting both of them to fight martinez at 154?

Its what all *******ed peasants do: They support Pacquiao outrageous agenda as if they were on his team. For instance, *******s have been saying that Floyd shouldn't be asking for USADA! WTF?!?!?

you seem to constantly equating me with what SOME "*******s". stop doing that. it only makes you look ******.

i have no problem whatsoever WHO takes those tests. in fact, i even suggested in another thread that if Bob insists on his distrust of USADA, then he could simply hire experts whom he trusts to monitor the tests throughout the whole process. naturally, they should be unaware of the schedule of the tests to maintain its integrity.

So would I!! But going by the way Pacquiao has conducted his career for the last 3 years, he won't be fighting ANYONE who is on top unless they are below 147.

i myself have been disappointed in Pac's latest choices in fights, namely Mosley (should have been done MUCH EARLIER), and Marquez (should have been at 140)

nonetheless, things are looking up in Pac's camp in that a major shakeup is going on. Mike Konz has been kicked out or demoted and hopefully, this would lead to a better management and better matches for Pac.

I'm not a hypocrite. I am not asking Pacquiao to do ANYTHING I wouldn't ask Floyd to do. The difference is that Floyd actually delivers. My criticism of Manny has NOTHING TO DO WITH MARTINEZ!!! My criticism of Pacquiao has to do with him seeking 5 vacant belts, using rehydration clauses, catchweights and targeting fallen fighters instead of reigning champions.

Do you understand that now?

ok, lemme see....

seeking 5 vacant belts. what the heck? you mad at that? didn't floyd himself say that belts are meaningless? so why are you mad at something meaningless? unless you're just looking for an excuse to hate on someone, then yeah, i can see why you'd be mad over something supposedly inconsequential.

rehydration clauses? where did Pac EVER have any rehydration clauses?

targeting fallen fighters and not reigning champions? riiiight. didn't i already show you that the majority of whom Pac fought came from wins? man. some people can NEVER be pleased.

Man .. I hate on Pac for not challenging any winning fighter that isn't below 147. The fact is that Pacquiao simply doesn't fight winners unless they are lightweights. PERIOD. This thread is about Martinez so of course he was the subject, but the real criticism concerning Pacquiao and Martinez is that Pacquiao will wait for someone else to do it first. He waited for his last 6 opponents to get beat by other WWs before he would even CONSIDER fighting them. He turned Mosley down for YEARS until Floyd dominated him.

You're either really ****** or pretending to be so not to admit Pacquiao does this. The message is clear: LET PACQUIAO FIGHT SOMEONE ON TOP FIRST!!!!

oh....

wow. you hate on someone for not fighting fighters who match your VERY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS. if that ain't petty, i don't know what is.

so you're mad that Pac hasn't fought someone recently before Floyd did? ok, no prob. if you want Pac to be the first to fight martinez, then its ok by me dude. Heck, i'd PREFER Pac face Martinez first.

When Pacquiao fought his last 6 opponents all but one was ranked 5th. That's fighting the best? Cotto went to #4 for fighting Jennings for a vacant title and getting a gift against Clottey.

Best? Seriously? How the fcuk are #5 fighters the best? Where you live does the 5th place candidate win the election? WTF? Are you seriously hailing tune ups as signs of victory for those guys? Hahahaha .. silly peasant. Your backwards way of being makes sense now.

wow. just wow. you're comparing ring rankings to elections now? ELECTIONS COMES ONCE EVERY FEW YEARS.

last time i checked, fighters fought a couple of times EVERY YEAR. unless of course your talking about floyd.

i suggest you cool your head a bit before posting. your slowly losing your perspective dude.

I don't disagree. They voted him in. My question is simply for doing what? Pacquiao hasn't beaten someone who wasn't coming off the worst loss of their career since Marquez. And if Pacquiao was voted FOTD for beating Marquez, then yes, I strongly disagree because he didn't beat Marquez either time.

For beating Erik Morales? Morales was coming off of a loss!

For beating DLH or Hatton? They were NOT on top after losing to Floyd.

For beating Cotto? Cotto was damaged by Margarito and everyone has been saying it. Cotto was NOT on top.

For beating Clottey? Clottey has NEVER won a significant match, and had just lost to Cotto!

For beating Margarito? Margarito was banned! Not only that, but he came in completely dehydrated. 150lbs? Are you joking?

For beating Mosley? Mosley was #1 when Floyd fought him. After that Shane got a draw. Then after 2 years of ducking and refusing, Pacquiao was willing to fight him!

I'm asking ... WHERE IS THE GREATNESS???

Those are the facts and statistics. Facts and numbers are NOT petty. They don't lie either. If Manny had beaten DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito and Mosley when they were all prime, or on top, or fighting at comfortable weights or just not coming off the worst loss of their careers I would be giving Manny the same credit.

I understand now why you give Manny all credit. You come from a place where #5 is the best. I just don't agree that someone who takes on lesser challenges should be given the credit that those who take on greater challenges get. Its that simple.

You have no compunctions when ignoring the fact that fighting a champion is not the same as fighting a challenger. That's obvious because you give Pacquiao the equal credit when he sought 5 vacant titles to claim he was a multi-division champion.

You have no reservations when pretending that making weight stipulations doesn't completely affect the outcome of a match. That's obvious because you give Manny equal credit when he used catchweights and used rehydration clauses to sweat those WWs down to a lethargic crawl. DLH has gone on record and said this!

IMO, that's not greatness. In many eyes, that's not greatness. When you have to make statements like "C'mon man, he's a little guy" to attempt to make Pacquiao's accomplishments seem legit, then its already understood that he's a "little man" who needs "special considerations".

well, apparently your definition of greatness is of a higher standard than that of boxing writers. you know, people who's occupation is actually writing about boxing?

you have a right to your opinions of course and its understandable that you'd disagree with them cuz apparently they see something in Manny that you don't. otherwise, they wouldn't have voted him THE FIGHTER OF THE DECADE.

but to call others who simply disagree with you as peasants even esteemed writers whose profession and life is boxing?

not THAT is petty.

[AFighter4U]

Martinez is, at least in my opinion, about as high as weight as he's gonna go, and he already makes for a small mw.

Besides that, I honestly believe that there's nothing for him in the higher weighclasses, other then continuing to be a work horse and beating tough top notch opponents, no recognition or big $$$ to be had unless he gets in there with Pac or May, and honestly i don't mind it. People act like all Martinez has ever wanted was a big payday, but he's given us some of the best fights in recent history and i think he deserves a big money fight at this point.

based on how Martinez is saying whatever comes to his head to the point he's contradicting himself, i'd say he REALLY wants that big payday.

but in fairness, if there's anyone who deserves a big payday, its him.

[AFighter4U]

Are you talking about Mr Vacant title collector, Manny Pac? lol All those vacant titles you call accolades are greater than fighting the Champion who actually held the title? Like Martinez who wanted HIS JMW title back (which was stripped) and Pac then fought a banned WW for it but wouldn't fight the CHAMPION who (key word) EARNED it? Why didn't Pac fight the #1 WW Mosley? Why not Floyd instead of Clottey (who still hasn't won a fight in 2008)?

Calling Pac the best fighter out there and P4P best based of strategic mach making while avoiding the CURRENT champions would be like calling Roy Jones Jr THE HW Champion when he beat Ruiz who beat Holyfied who beat Tyson (which is who Jones Jr wanted to fight in the first place). Pac fights for vacant tiles at stipulated weights vs fighters on losing streaks.

Mayweather again is fighting one of the TOP prime WW's coming off a GREAT win. When has Pac done that? When has Pac fought a CURRENT Champion who's defending HIS belt and coming off a great win?

Lets hope Pac can get his scandalous ($26 million) team together so we can get the stories straight for the testing. Maybe then we can get a fight. As of now everyone knows there holding up the fight. Which is one of the main reasons Pac is firing the POS adviser. Now he just needs to fire Bob.

i agree with you there 101%!

[AceBoeing]

Owned hardcore.

so he's no better than a snake oil salesman or a sleazy used car salesman who say anything just to make a sale.

And a liar, since apparently he would say whatever he has to get a payday.

Got it.





Where the heck do you get "*******s" wanting floyd to go up?

Last time i checked, everyone wants to see the pac/floyd fight at 147. That is practically the one thing everyone is in agreement.

Both pac and floyd fought at 154 (technically for pac since he fought at catchweight of 150)

what's so wrong with expecting both of them to fight martinez at 154?



You seem to constantly equating me with what some "*******s". Stop doing that. It only makes you look ******.

I have no problem whatsoever who takes those tests. In fact, i even suggested in another thread that if bob insists on his distrust of usada, then he could simply hire experts whom he trusts to monitor the tests throughout the whole process. Naturally, they should be unaware of the schedule of the tests to maintain its integrity.



I myself have been disappointed in pac's latest choices in fights, namely mosley (should have been done much earlier), and marquez (should have been at 140)

nonetheless, things are looking up in pac's camp in that a major shakeup is going on. Mike konz has been kicked out or demoted and hopefully, this would lead to a better management and better matches for pac.




Ok, lemme see....

Seeking 5 vacant belts. What the heck? You mad at that? Didn't floyd himself say that belts are meaningless? So why are you mad at something meaningless? Unless you're just looking for an excuse to hate on someone, then yeah, i can see why you'd be mad over something supposedly inconsequential.

Rehydration clauses? Where did pac ever have any rehydration clauses?

Targeting fallen fighters and not reigning champions? Riiiight. Didn't i already show you that the majority of whom pac fought came from wins? Man. Some people can never be pleased.




Oh....

Wow. You hate on someone for not fighting fighters who match your very specific requirements. If that ain't petty, i don't know what is.

So you're mad that pac hasn't fought someone recently before floyd did? Ok, no prob. If you want pac to be the first to fight martinez, then its ok by me dude. Heck, i'd prefer pac face martinez first.





Wow. Just wow. You're comparing ring rankings to elections now? Elections comes once every few years.

Last time i checked, fighters fought a couple of times every year. Unless of course your talking about floyd.

I suggest you cool your head a bit before posting. Your slowly losing your perspective dude.



Well, apparently your definition of greatness is of a higher standard than that of boxing writers. You know, people who's occupation is actually writing about boxing?

You have a right to your opinions of course and its understandable that you'd disagree with them cuz apparently they see something in manny that you don't. Otherwise, they wouldn't have voted him the fighter of the decade.

But to call others who simply disagree with you as peasants even esteemed writers whose profession and life is boxing?

Not that is petty.

brother jay got owned. Makes you look like a silly biatch, who is emotional about someone who you haven't even meet personally. You are like floyds cheerleader. Here is my lunch money go buy some sense and perspective.

[LAPete]

Martinez won his last fight with a lucky punch and if you look at the reply even he was surprised it landed and KO'd his opponent. Floyd would eat his lunch and then laugh in his face. Martinez would get destroyed.

[King Ju-Ju]

martinez needs to stop calling out welterweights. your the middleweight champion of the world bro. i know theres no money in your division but it is what it is. just deal with it. hope that arum lets chavez jr fight u cuz thats the best payday sergio can get at 160.

[M4RK]

Martinez won his last fight with a lucky punch and if you look at the reply even he was surprised it landed and KO'd his opponent. Floyd would eat his lunch and then laugh in his face. Martinez would get destroyed.

HAHAHHA Why would you even make a post if you can't keep track of a calander?

Martinez's knocked down his opponent 5 times en route to an 8th round TKO in his last fight.

You're referring to the Williams fight, his second last, which was no lucky punch as replays show him attempting it at least 4 times before the connecting shot.

Keep you f'ing mouth shut if you don't know what you're talking about.

Mayweather vs. Martinez is a great fight that all you mofo's would watch.

[QADASHBANYAH]

floyd's going to vacation again

Do you want floyd to fight sergio or pac first?

Please just answer the question...

[drool]

Fact of the matter is, even if Floyd does accept a fight with Martinez at 154 there will still be people complaining.
This **** is never ending.

How can you say that Serg needs to go to 168 to fight Ward or someone from super six? You do realize that Serg was a junior middleweight most of his career and RECENTLY moved up to claim middleweight supremacy? Now he has to go to super middleweight to get legitimacy?

So ok - Pac went up to jr middleweight for a belt. Does this mean that he's not legit because he went back down to welter? Sergio is doing the SAME THING but asking to FIGHT THE BEST.
Understand that the HYPOCRISY of you fanboy posters is OUT OF CONTROL.