Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez: I'll Take The Tests to Fight Mayweather

[QADASHBANYAH]

now that's how you shut idiots up with the truth!




Lol ... Apparently not. The best is the best regardless of what writers put in articles. Anyone can be p4p as long as they win a fight and keep the commentators and and journalist paid.

Best at doing a thing > most praised for doing a thing

no one's accolades is going to make you a better fighter. No one's bestowed awards are going to make everyone else see you as the best that does it.

Pacquiao competed for sergio's belt. Yet he refuses to face sergio himself. Pacquiao has done this in five other divisions. He's willing to fight guys in and around the division but ducks the best guys competing until they lose.

Pacquiao is 2" shorter than mayweather. Why does he have a problem meeting sergio at 150lbs? Why is pacquiao fighting marquez and not a ww champion? Why is pacquiao not looking for a fight with sergio? I can tell you why!

Because floyd hasn't beaten him yet!

If and when floyd beats ortiz, watch for pacquiao to fight ortiz. If and when floyd fights and beats martinez, watch for pacquiao to then seek a fight with martinez.

Isn't the pattern obvious by now? Pacquiao won't fight anyone unless they've been beaten in their last big fight.

Pacquiao waits until the lose so that they will agree to anything! Where else would dlh, hatton, cotto, clottey, margarito or mosley make that kind of a payday right after losing??? If sergio lost to mayweather, arum knows that sergio would do nearly anything for a payday like he'd get from pacquiao. They would most likely lure him down to 150lbs where he'd be on cruise control and very hittable.

All one has to do is look at who pacquiao fought in his last 6 fights, but more importantly at what point did he fight them. Each man was coming off a loss, was ranked #5 and trying to make a comeback.

Anyway, i hope floyd fights sergio. Floyd isn't going up to 154lbs though. He'll come in at 150lbs. Sergio will come in at 154.

I specifically remember roach saying that mayweather would never fight mosley. Then once floyd signed to do so, roach said that floyd would run all night. Floyd walked mosley down. Then roach said that mosley was old and because of that it was time for pacquiao to lace up against him.

I don't think any ******* is in any position to say what floyd will and won't do. Floyd has kept his word on everything. Pacquiao still hasn't sign the contract.

but they cant see the logic because they are a poor illiterate people and they need a hero...

[The MiZ]

2 my favourites going at it would be fun. to bad this will never happen. If it did, i think Martinez would be favourite at 154?

[QADASHBANYAH]

absolutely. P4p is not a title. Its a term. Sergio has said many times that mayweather is the superior fighter. P4p is something the media calls pacquiao. Hell, pacquiao is only 2" shorter than floyd and shane but woun't fight wws at 147. He wouldn't let margarito fight at 154lbs. Ain't nothing p4p about that!



I'm saying martinez will say whatever he has to in order to get a huge payday.



I don't criticize either of them for not fighting a guy competing at mw. I just don't understand *******ed peasants demanding that floyd go up when manny is only 2" shorter. The hell with 154 .. Manny wasn't even fight prime guys who weighed 147!



You're welcome!



Its what all *******ed peasants do: They support pacquiao outrageous agenda as if they were on his team. For instance, *******s have been saying that floyd shouldn't be asking for usada! Wtf?!?!?



So would i!! But going by the way pacquiao has conducted his career for the last 3 years, he won't be fighting anyone who is on top unless they are below 147.



I'm not a hypocrite. I am not asking pacquiao to do anything i wouldn't ask floyd to do. The difference is that floyd actually delivers. My criticism of manny has nothing to do with martinez!!! My criticism of pacquiao has to do with him seeking 5 vacant belts, using rehydration clauses, catchweights and targeting fallen fighters instead of reigning champions.

Do you understand that now?



Man .. I hate on pac for not challenging any winning fighter that isn't below 147. The fact is that pacquiao simply doesn't fight winners unless they are lightweights. Period. This thread is about martinez so of course he was the subject, but the real criticism concerning pacquiao and martinez is that pacquiao will wait for someone else to do it first. He waited for his last 6 opponents to get beat by other wws before he would even consider fighting them. He turned mosley down for years until floyd dominated him.

You're either really ****** or pretending to be so not to admit pacquiao does this. The message is clear: Let pacquiao fight someone on top first!!!!



Dude, do you know how you're full of dog ****?

When pacquiao fought his last 6 opponents all but one was ranked 5th. That's fighting the best? Cotto went to #4 for fighting jennings for a vacant title and getting a gift against clottey.

Best? Seriously? How the fcuk are #5 fighters the best? Where you live does the 5th place candidate win the election? Wtf? Are you seriously hailing tune ups as signs of victory for those guys? Hahahaha .. Silly peasant. Your backwards way of being makes sense now.



I don't disagree. They voted him in. My question is simply for doing what? Pacquiao hasn't beaten someone who wasn't coming off the worst loss of their career since marquez. And if pacquiao was voted fotd for beating marquez, then yes, i strongly disagree because he didn't beat marquez either time.

For beating erik morales? Morales was coming off of a loss!

For beating dlh or hatton? They were not on top after losing to floyd.

For beating cotto? Cotto was damaged by margarito and everyone has been saying it. Cotto was not on top.

For beating clottey? Clottey has never won a significant match, and had just lost to cotto!

For beating margarito? Margarito was banned! Not only that, but he came in completely dehydrated. 150lbs? Are you joking?

For beating mosley? Mosley was #1 when floyd fought him. After that shane got a draw. Then after 2 years of ducking and refusing, pacquiao was willing to fight him!

I'm asking ... Where is the greatness???

Those are the facts and statistics. Facts and numbers are not petty. They don't lie either. If manny had beaten dlh, hatton, cotto, clottey, margarito and mosley when they were all prime, or on top, or fighting at comfortable weights or just not coming off the worst loss of their careers i would be giving manny the same credit.

I understand now why you give manny all credit. You come from a place where #5 is the best. I just don't agree that someone who takes on lesser challenges should be given the credit that those who take on greater challenges get. Its that simple.

You have no compunctions when ignoring the fact that fighting a champion is not the same as fighting a challenger. That's obvious because you give pacquiao the equal credit when he sought 5 vacant titles to claim he was a multi-division champion.

You have no reservations when pretending that making weight stipulations doesn't completely affect the outcome of a match. That's obvious because you give manny equal credit when he used catchweights and used rehydration clauses to sweat those wws down to a lethargic crawl. Dlh has gone on record and said this!

Imo, that's not greatness. In many eyes, that's not greatness. When you have to make statements like "c'mon man, he's a little guy" to attempt to make pacquiao's accomplishments seem legit, then its already understood that he's a "little man" who needs "special considerations".

brother jay:
i understand now why you give manny all credit. You come from a place where #5 is the best. i just don't agree that someone who takes on lesser challenges should be given the credit that those who take on greater challenges get. Its that simple.

You have no compunctions when ignoring the fact that fighting a champion is not the same as fighting a challenger. That's obvious because you give pacquiao the equal credit when he sought 5 vacant titles to claim he was a multi-division champion.

You have no reservations when pretending that making weight stipulations doesn't completely affect the outcome of a match. That's obvious because you give manny equal credit when he used catchweights and used rehydration clauses to sweat those wws down to a lethargic crawl. Dlh has gone on record and said this!

Imo, that's not greatness. In many eyes, that's not greatness. When you have to make statements like "c'mon man, he's a little guy" to attempt to make pacquiao's accomplishments seem legit, then its already understood that he's a "little man" who needs "special considerations".

he comes from mudslide island, the place of pure peasantry...

Only a peasant would try and argue with you bro....

there is a reason that p4p doesn't come with a belt (title)

its all subjective.... And the media along with careful matchmaking from arum and co. Is putting on a dog and pony show for the inhabitants of mudslide island...(philippines)

pac needs special request for his fights.

He either needs someone to beat them first for a blue print,

or he needs some type of physical advantage.
1.) rehydration clause
2.) catchweight
3.)different glove size than approved by governing athletic body etc.

When he loses.
1.) his feet were itchy because he had on the wrong socks....
2.) he didnt have his gloves.
3.) he took a blood test close to fight night.

Now the p4p champion and the mudslide islands peoples choice is saying he needs.

1.) testing from a different body. (even though he agreed.)
2.) blood work affects him negatively.
3.) hes afraid of needles (yet has tatoos)
4.) 10 million per pound hes over the weight limit.
5.) a smaller ring.
6.) smaller glove sizes

keep in mind all 6 above requests were all on mayweather.

Yet i keep hearing peasants say stuff like "if mayweather is so confident, then why does he need drug testing?"

yet if you ask these same peasants why does pac need smaller gloves, smaller ring (remember in the same breath floyd has no legs, so why do they need a smaller ring?)
its not like he can run with no legs they get speechless and go in a ******ed peasant rant.....

As you stated bro jay, he hasnt fought a champion ranked above #4 in his last 6 outings..... It cant be argued or debated....

Margarito had just beat robert garcia, and he wasnt **** !!! He fits the definition of a cab driver. So he gets banned for cheating (plaster of paris) beats a cab driver, gets a fight at a weight against a challenger thats not even fighting at that weight for a belt neither had any business fighting for. He then quickly vacates it when hes called out to defend it and says..."its tough' and the media and peasants give him a break.....

these are all facts.......

then his trainer (**** - roach) admits they look for weaknesses, not in styles per say but in physical abilities via weight draining etc... Or fighters coming off losses.

Didnt want shane because they thought shane was dangerous. Shane gets manhandled by floyd and now they are ready to fight him....

Why did it take so long to rematch marquez?

They give floyd **** for fighting him at the same weight that pac is now fighting at and nothing from the peasant masses.

[Brother Jay]

he comes from mudslide island, the place of pure peasantry...

Only a peasant would try and argue with you bro....

there is a reason that p4p doesn't come with a belt (title)

its all subjective.... And the media along with careful matchmaking from arum and co. Is putting on a dog and pony show for the inhabitants of mudslide island...(philippines)

pac needs special request for his fights.

He either needs someone to beat them first for a blue print,

or he needs some type of physical advantage.
1.) rehydration clause
2.) catchweight
3.)different glove size than approved by governing athletic body etc.

When he loses.
1.) his feet were itchy because he had on the wrong socks....
2.) he didnt have his gloves.
3.) he took a blood test close to fight night.

Now the p4p champion and the mudslide islands peoples choice is saying he needs.

1.) testing from a different body. (even though he agreed.)
2.) blood work affects him negatively.
3.) hes afraid of needles (yet has tatoos)
4.) 10 million per pound hes over the weight limit.
5.) a smaller ring.
6.) smaller glove sizes

keep in mind all 6 above requests were all on mayweather.

Yet i keep hearing peasants say stuff like "if mayweather is so confident, then why does he need drug testing?"

yet if you ask these same peasants why does pac need smaller gloves, smaller ring (remember in the same breath floyd has no legs, so why do they need a smaller ring?)
its not like he can run with no legs they get speechless and go in a ******ed peasant rant.....

As you stated bro jay, he hasnt fought a champion ranked above #4 in his last 6 outings..... It cant be argued or debated....

Margarito had just beat robert garcia, and he wasnt **** !!! He fits the definition of a cab driver. So he gets banned for cheating (plaster of paris) beats a cab driver, gets a fight at a weight against a challenger thats not even fighting at that weight for a belt neither had any business fighting for. He then quickly vacates it when hes called out to defend it and says..."its tough' and the media and peasants give him a break.....

these are all facts.......

then his trainer (**** - roach) admits they look for weaknesses, not in styles per say but in physical abilities via weight draining etc... Or fighters coming off losses.

Didnt want shane because they thought shane was dangerous. Shane gets manhandled by floyd and now they are ready to fight him....

Why did it take so long to rematch marquez?

They give floyd **** for fighting him at the same weight that pac is now fighting at and nothing from the peasant masses.

As I said before:

Pacquiao is the Milli Vanilli of the boxing world.

He is all hype and no substance. I've written two books in previous pages and what peasants do is overlook that which they cannot refute. I refute ALL of the peasants claims, but I see that its not a debate their looking for, its a cheerleading competition to see how many of their peasants will agree with them afterwards.

AFighter4u agrees on certain points but will not expound on them. He claims that he is "disappointed in Manny's last few choices". TRY HIS LAST 6 OPPONENTS OVER THE LAST 3 YEARS! And who is Manny's seventh opponent going to be? A fight with Juan Manuel Marquez that should have happened 4 years ago. AFighter4u says he disapproves of that fight, but does not put into perspective that his disappointment is a direct result of the cowardice of Manny Pacquiao! Was it supposed to be somehow implied?

And then he goes on to say that I criticize Pacquiao for not fighting fighters that fit my specific criteria.

Bull****.

Manny Pacquiao is not fighting champions. Is that my criteria?

Manny Pacquiao is not fighting winners. Is that my criteria?

Manny Pacquiao is fighting five boxers ranked 5th and one ranked#4. Is that my criteria?

Manny Pacquiao magically has an effect on boxers that mysteriously has them coming in at 145lbs when some of them haven't competed at that weight in over 7 years. Is that my criteria? DLH, Cotto, & Margarito ALL came in at disadvantageous weights. They are all pros and know the game and how weight affects a fighter, but you're suggesting that they were all just ****** and came in voluntarily at a weight that they later admitted severely weakened them.

My opinion or my criteria DOES NOT MATTER. Only the facts matter. Only the truth matters. Historically in boxing, beating champions or the best non-champion is how a fighter is measured. This is not Brother Jay's criteria. This is BOXING'S CRITERIA! It is and has been since the beginning. The last 3 years of Pacquiao's career has gone against boxing's criteria. You don't have to like it, but its the truth. I know you continue to argue where there is no argument!

This is the *******ed peasant dogma. You defend the indefensible. You make up excuses where there are no need for them. The facts tell the real story.

When Manny Pacquiao LIES and claims he's an 8 division world champion, your excuse is that Floyd Mayweather said that belts don't matter! Floyd also said that Manny Pacquiao is taking PEDs. So if you value Floyd's opinion so much .... let's hear you say it, peasant!

You and your band of peasants are pathetic. If anyone were to make such excuses for ANY other fighter you would demonize them. You refuse to be a man or rather debate like one. You have no integrity. You constantly use red herrings and scarecrow arguments to avoid being made to look even worse than you do already.

That is the mark of a true peasant.

When I write a fact and you respond with "So what you're saying is ..." that's a desperate way of getting out of having to present any facts yourself to counter my arguments. AFighter4U has fallen in love with semantics.

A real man can speak his mind without having to embrace his feminine side and displaying it in his words. AFighter4U obviously cannot. It won't help his cause. His antics only serve to turn on his fellow **** *******s for the circle jerk.

[AFighter4U]

As I said before:

Pacquiao is the Milli Vanilli of the boxing world.

He is all hype and no substance. I've written two books in previous pages and what peasants do is overlook that which they cannot refute. I refute ALL of the peasants claims, but I see that its not a debate their looking for, its a cheerleading competition to see how many of their peasants will agree with them afterwards.

AFighter4u agrees on certain points but will not expound on them. He claims that he is "disappointed in Manny's last few choices". TRY HIS LAST 6 OPPONENTS OVER THE LAST 3 YEARS! And who is Manny's seventh opponent going to be? A fight with Juan Manuel Marquez that should have happened 4 years ago. AFighter4u says he disapproves of that fight, but does not put into perspective that his disappointment is a direct result of the cowardice of Manny Pacquiao! Was it supposed to be somehow implied?

And then he goes on to say that I criticize Pacquiao for not fighting fighters that fit my specific criteria.

Bull****.

Manny Pacquiao is not fighting champions. Is that my criteria?

Manny Pacquiao is not fighting winners. Is that my criteria?

Manny Pacquiao is fighting five boxers ranked 5th and one ranked#4. Is that my criteria?

Manny Pacquiao magically has an effect on boxers that mysteriously has them coming in at 145lbs when some of them haven't competed at that weight in over 7 years. Is that my criteria? DLH, Cotto, & Margarito ALL came in at disadvantageous weights. They are all pros and know the game and how weight affects a fighter, but you're suggesting that they were all just ****** and came in voluntarily at a weight that they later admitted severely weakened them.

My opinion or my criteria DOES NOT MATTER. Only the facts matter. Only the truth matters. Historically in boxing, beating champions or the best non-champion is how a fighter is measured. This is not Brother Jay's criteria. This is BOXING'S CRITERIA! It is and has been since the beginning. The last 3 years of Pacquiao's career has gone against boxing's criteria. You don't have to like it, but its the truth. I know you continue to argue where there is no argument!

This is the *******ed peasant dogma. You defend the indefensible. You make up excuses where there are no need for them. The facts tell the real story.

When Manny Pacquiao LIES and claims he's an 8 division world champion, your excuse is that Floyd Mayweather said that belts don't matter! Floyd also said that Manny Pacquiao is taking PEDs. So if you value Floyd's opinion so much .... let's hear you say it, peasant!

You and your band of peasants are pathetic. If anyone were to make such excuses for ANY other fighter you would demonize them. You refuse to be a man or rather debate like one. You have no integrity. You constantly use red herrings and scarecrow arguments to avoid being made to look even worse than you do already.

That is the mark of a true peasant.

When I write a fact and you respond with "So what you're saying is ..." that's a desperate way of getting out of having to present any facts yourself to counter my arguments. AFighter4U has fallen in love with semantics.

A real man can speak his mind without having to embrace his feminine side and displaying it in his words. AFighter4U obviously cannot. It won't help his cause. His antics only serve to turn on his fellow **** *******s for the circle jerk.

it is truly a tragedy when in a supposedly intelligent discussion one of the parties devolve to name calling and tantrums. i find this a common pattern with you jay.

whenever you can no longer honestly answer any of my salient points, you revert to your usual rants and childish name-calling. i was expecting better from you.

pity.

and for the record, if Pac truly IS the milli vanilli of boxing, then that simply means that BOXING LOVES MILLI VANILLI.

in your eyes, the great majority of boxing scribes and historians are all fooled by Pac and his minions and only YOU brother Jay and a select few see the truth. suuure its not your criteria, but if its not, then who's is it?

all these awards from reputable boxing writers/organizations must be a trick then.

some sort of fluke that simply cannot be explained by science.

after all, according to you, Pac somehow MISERABLY FAILED THE CRITERIA OF BOXING, yet somehow, all Pac gets are mostly ACCOLADES, AWARDS, HIGH PRAISE AND CONGRATULATORY REMARKS.
(of course there are some scathing remarks more recently which i found he deserved to some extent)

heck, Pac is one of the most awarded boxer in the history of boxing! why oh why is that brother jay?

you are upset that people don't agree with your opinions.

that's understandable, but the sad part is you actually cannot comprehend that its simply YOUR OPINION.

nonetheless, your entitled to your opinions/delusions and i won't deny you that.

[bMak]

sergio playing politics to get a big fight

Both are HUGE fights.

[LeadUppercut]

Sergio just wants to get paid, and I don't blame him one bit. If floyd wanted him to fight naked, I'm guessing sergio would show up nude. Dude is like 38 years old, he doesn't have much time left, he wants that fat check.

I've got a VERY hard time believing floyd would take that risk though. But then again, he really surprised me stepping in and taking on ortiz so maybe he has it in him after all. Either way I still want to see him fight pac first, second, and third, I guess martinez can be a close 4th. Now that pac is saying he's gonna take whatever test floyd wants, there is zero excuses left for that fight to not come off. I'd love to see floyd sergio, but it isn't close to floyd pac

All good points.

Even though I LMAO at the way that Manny " earned " his JMW title, and it is funny as hell that Pac will fight for Sergio's title, but not against Sergio I do admit that Martinez is too big for either of those guys..... going up and fighting a JMW champ at 154 is one thing (and btw, only Mayweather did that) but going up and fighting a guy who can beat MW's like Pavlik (who could fight at 168) is a huge ask, and an unreasonable expectation.

[LeadUppercut]

Sergio Martinez will never fight Mayweather and the reason for that is quite simple, Martinez is one big piece of chicken shit.

What a tripper

[adp023]

Pac is too chicken **** to give blood one day befo da fight coz da last time he did dat, HE LOST, dawg!!!! Floyd knows this which is fiddy percent why he axxed fo da tests!! Otha fiddy percent is coz uncle raj & daddy say Pac is on A-side meth!!! Doz nigg*azz gonna pay pac in court fo dat!! believe it!!

IMO...Pac is superstitious and don't wanna give blood one day befo da fight!! DAT's IT!!! Pac ain't on nuffin!! If you fink pac is on PEDs then you betta hate on other fools dat suddenly became devastatin hittazz afta movin up in weight like sergio, bute, donaire, ortiz, khan, etc.!!! If you don't...then you justa ignorant pac hata, biaaatch!!!

Write proper english!!!!

Dumbazz ******!!!

[LeadUppercut]

Yep, so a lot of people are drinking the kool-aid, so what ?

it is truly a tragedy when in a supposedly intelligent discussion one of the parties devolve to name calling and tantrums. i find this a common pattern with you jay.

whenever you can no longer honestly answer any of my salient points, you revert to your usual rants and childish name-calling. i was expecting better from you.

pity.

and for the record, if Pac truly IS the milli vanilli of boxing, then that simply means that BOXING LOVES MILLI VANILLI.

in your eyes, the great majority of boxing scribes and historians are all fooled by Pac and his minions and only YOU brother Jay and a select few see the truth. suuure its not your criteria, but if its not, then who's is it?

all these awards from reputable boxing writers/organizations must be a trick then.

some sort of fluke that simply cannot be explained by science.

after all, according to you, Pac somehow MISERABLY FAILED THE CRITERIA OF BOXING, yet somehow, all Pac gets are mostly ACCOLADES, AWARDS, HIGH PRAISE AND CONGRATULATORY REMARKS.
(of course there are some scathing remarks more recently which i found he deserved to some extent)

heck, Pac is one of the most awarded boxer in the history of boxing! why oh why is that brother jay?

you are upset that people don't agree with your opinions.

that's understandable, but the sad part is you actually cannot comprehend that its simply YOUR OPINION.

nonetheless, your entitled to your opinions/delusions and i won't deny you that.

And you resorted to your usual tactic.

You replied to a post, but did not even attempt to address any of the facts.

Do you mean guys like Bert Sugar and Al Bernstein ?

Guys who say that Pac is a truly great fighter, but then both admit that Marquez already beat him twice

Or do you mean organisations like " The Ring ".

The magazine who had Pac ranked as the #1 welter despite the fact that Manny had never actually fought a welterweight at 147, and had only beaten a guy who was well-faded, ranked no higher than 4, at catchweight

Come on man, you have your head up your arse if you cannot see that Pac has not faced a live dog since Marquez, and that his recent resume has been a collection of carefully manufactured, masterfully manipulated, exhibition match-up's.

Much as I like to call Floyd " Mayflower ", I am finding it harder and harder to use that nick when referring to him.

The fact is, Mayweather is fighting the guys that Pacquiao will not face, and Manny's 8 different ridiculous reasons for not wanting to fight Mayweather, ooops, I mean..... take the test..... are simply absurd.

* Pac would not fight JMM, so Mayweather did, and he got rubbished for it.
Three years and three divisions later, now that the ENTIRE WORLD knows that JMM cannot hang at welter..... Manny wants to fight Marquez, and his fans think that he is reaching for greatness, and that this will prove "once-and-for-all" who is the better fighter.

* Pac would not fight Shane Mosley, Manny flat out ducked him like a b1tch.
Once again, Mayweather stepped up when Pacquiao would not.
18 months later, when the ENTIRE WORLD could see that Shane was old, shot, and could no longer pull the trigger..... suddenly Pac wants to fight Shane.

* Pac would not fight Victor Ortiz, citing that he was " too green ".
This is despite Ortiz having ****** Manny around in sparring, and him coming off a stellar win against a guy who Pac had on his own short-list So what happens, yet again, and even in spite of a long layoff, Mayweather steps up and fights the guy who Pacquiao will not face.

Come on man, whats up with that ?

Pac has never fought a welter ranked as high as Ortiz.

When is the last time Pac fought a champion who was young, fast, skilled, hungry, and right on top of his game?

" too green " ?

I disagree with Jay's analogy.

Pacquiao is not the " Milli Vanilli " of boxing.

They were fake, and Manny is a terrific fighter.

He is just badly overhyped, especially in comparision to the greats.

Pac is the " ****e Girls " of boxing.