List of Fighters That Get Stronger As They Go Up In Weight

[BoxingGenius27]

Being smaller is extremely rare, but there are advantages of being smaller if your style is not about strength and highly etc...

But his style is about strength/power and speed. Pac is the predator when he's in the ring. Off the top of my head, the last guy I remember going up in weight and trying to be the predator was when Trinidad (predator) went up in weight against Hopkins. He ended up getting KO'd, but hey that's another story.


For example Tyson was short, but his speed and power got him success. This is the case for PAC also.

I agree with Tyson. But, the last time Tyson tried to put on a significant amount of weight it was against Lennox Lewis. You will notice in that fight, Tyson was very slow and had no cardio. Subsequently he got knocked flat....


There are clips of PAC doing his fast shadow boxing thing. Check it out on YouTube, his hands are faster when he was in the lower weight. Indeed the combo you talk of was fast, but it wasn't ten shots in 1 sec. I recall it being seven with cotto on the ropes. Again we can look at it.

Ya, I think we're talking about the same combo. He did this numerous times against Cotto. These types of combos are extremely rare at ANY weight in boxing. Again, beside Ray Leonard and ODLH, your're gonna be hard pressed to find anyone with that speed. I don't remember those combo's from Pac at the lower weights...


As for the Marg fight, it should have been stopped, but the point is the power. He landed hard and flush, and yet didn't drop Marg. The same goes for Oscar, it wasn't a stoppage.

Actually, Oscar did get stopped.... It was only the 2nd time in his entire career. The 1st time was when he tried to go up in weight against the bigger fighter in B Hop. A prime ****er in Trinidad couldn't even stop ODLH....


The cotto that exchanged with PAC tried to bully him. cotto said PAC isn't much faster and said he is bigger. The cotto who faced mosely was jabbing away and on the run in the last 3 rounds. What PAC did was time cotto very well, because cotto tried to bully him.

Either way you look at it, Pac was the stronger fighter... Before that fight people thought Pac should box Cotto, because Cotto would eat him alive if he tried to go toe to toe... Pac proved that theory so wrong. Pac even said in the post fight interview, he wanted to prove he was "stronger" than Cotto, but Cotto started running. The only fighter that made Cotto run because he was hurting Cotto was Margarito (who's already a huge WW) with bricks in his gloves. Normally Cotto comes forward because he's very strong.... This is why I say Pac is a big/strong/powerful WW......

When Cotto was running against Mosley, it was because he was up on the scorecards, not because he was hurt, unlike when he fought Pac. Cotto said this in the post fight interview.

PAC is not just more accurate or landing more because of his speed and power, it's also his punch selection. If you watch him from when he was very low in weight, he had speed and power, but not many combo's, and mainly favoured a right then left. Now he has a powerful right hand and combinations that he has learnt. It is easier to block 1 or two punches compared to 3 or 4.

I agree. But it's not just the right. It's both hands that make him a big, powerful WW....

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[BoxingGenius27]

Yep no agenda.

I'm giving the man his props... Is that a problem?

I'm saying he's a big, strong, powerful WW. This is a true statement. You don't have to be big physically big for me to say he's strong....

Just because I say he's stronger than Marg, Mosley, Cotto, Clottey, and a few other full fledge WW's, that's a problem?

You're the one with a guilty conscience....

[iPhoneKiller]

There is a difference from power of knock out potential, and accurate shots that have power without ko.

PAC has the athleticism to hit people, he has always been able to hit people. You don't 'win' sonmanyfights without that. Even as a limited 1-2 fighter.

In fact, if you get a lot of boxers to stand there and take shots, let's say 100 from PAC, and 100 from Oscar, mosely, Mary etc... I am sure pac's power is comparable, but not as much. Mosely has plenty of ko's at 47 but at 54 he fought wrigt, mayorga, sergio or whatever, oscar and forrest. Those guys are defensive or hof. what isn't so much is his speed. Well in their prime, Oscar and mosely were pretty fast. Marg not so much.

Anyway i would rather take shots from PAC if I had to stand still than marg, Oscar and mosely, simply because they are bigger and marg has a thumping bull type power, and Oscar and mosely aren't weak themselves.

This is boxing, muscles don't 'win' fights. Mma guys are thick and huge, but it doesn't mean they can box.

To me, PAC is an ATg, going up in weight fighting hof guys.

As for retiring people, indeed he has done. Oscar was more or less into promoting though. Clottey is missing indeed, maybe embarrassed at that performance or living a healthy lifestyle in Ghana where his payday makes him a king. Hatton has been busy promoting himself and does a few bills in the uk.

[Khalid X]

Honestly, I think Clottey fought Margarito when Margarito had bricks in his gloves... Notice how Clottey had no problem opening up against a guy with loaded gloves... Same thing can be said for Cotto against margarito. Cotto opened up but was badly hurt. Williams fought a plaster of Paris margarito also and was noticibly hurt later in the fight. We all know Margarito is a big WW...

I say that to say this. Clottey didn't open up against Manny not only because of the speed, but the power also. Same thing applies to Cotto and Mosley. I tend to listen to the guys that actually felt the power over what spectators say. Cotto, Clottey, Mosley, and Margarito all said they never been hit like that with that much power. When I hear someone with credibility like the fighters I just mentioned say that, it tells me they were in with a big, strong, powerful WW who makes his opponents "think" he's weak and vulneralbe when he's really not. I take their word for it....

When I say Pac is a big WW, I don't mean size. Of course not. I'm talking about strong and powerful punches... Yes Mosley and Clottey survived. The only reason Mosley survived was because he ran. Had he opened up, you know as well as I know, he would've been KO'd Ricky Hatton style. That tells me A LOT and you know it's true. Same thing applies to Clottey.

Hell lately, Manny's retired more dudes than Social Security. Now if that's not power, I don't know what is. Add Clottey to the list of Hatton and ODLH. Clottey hasn't fought since. Margarito was almost forced to retire for losing an eye. If that's not the sign of a strong/powerful WW, I don't know what is.....

I actually agree with this reply 100%

Now whereas you think it's roids, IMO its a combination of his improved technique (ala Hearnes and Martinez) combined with him not draining himself while putting on muscle mass during training camp.

If you are completely unbiased and look at how manny throws (his foot placement and overall technique) it's easy to see why he is hitting harder. He rarely lunges off his back foot like he use to and actually gets more leverage in his punches. Sergio Martinez is another example of technique improving punching power because if you watch him closely when he was at 154, compare to know, you would see a big difference and why he is hurting his opponent like he is know. Hearnes is boxing best example, but people really under estimate how huge technique is as far as punching power is concerned.

Now as far as him not cutting weight, the only other fighters who actually train to put on muscle mass in camp, like Pacquiao, are the Klitschko brothers and we see how that works to their advantage.

[iPhoneKiller]

See above...

The combo's are rare in fights yes, but in training, PAC had faster hands at the lower weights such as paddock or shadow boxing. In real fights, indeed be showed very fast hands in that combo. However it's rare, he can't do it in every fight because every fight is different.

I agree that cotto ran with marg because he was gettig beat and mosely he ran for the cards. As for being stronger than cotto, he stood there and took shots on the ropes. That was not a good idea but with his guard up, he took the shots.
What I will say is, cotto has never had a great chin. 140 is a different weight but I can never forget the torres fight. What got cotto was not strength though, if they were to wrestle, PAC would get thrown about.

I still believe that pac's power is a lot to do with his skills too. The shot that dropped hatton was a hook and under which hatton said pre fight. These tactics are there, yet hatton went warrior mode in the two rounds. He got caught by a shot he called out. Cotto again was timed, PAC stepped back and hit the button. The mosely shot was again clever, a tiny feint and a quick shot. The shots you don't see are the ones that can be dangerous. Speed kills.


Sorry when I say oscar stoppage, I meant ko or tko.

[iPhoneKiller]

Oh and as for PAC being a predator, it depends how it goes. Marg was the predator. Oscar was the predator. Hatton again chased PAC. Clottey stood there, and mosely did run. It is a misconception that PAC is a predator, he even ran from David Diaz. He did chase cotto when cotto legged it, but the early rounds, he stood there and wasn't really chasing.

As for Tyson, his prime was what, late 80's. His weight was mainly 217 to 222 when he did well. I had a debate on haye, klit and weight recently. However Tyson had been 214 a few times I recall early on. As for Lewis, no doubt he is an ATg in my mind. Going against him at any weight won't be easy.

It's if PAC went up and faced a prime welter that is an atg, then ok I would be su****ious, however apart from floyd, there are none at ww. If PAC beats mayweather by 9 to 3 rounds, I'll find it strange, however against the likes of marg who wasn't a favourite, not so much. Bar Oscar, I would say PAC was the favourite in every fight since.

[iPhoneKiller]

2.40 am here, going sleep.

[BoxingGenius27]

There is a difference from power of knock out potential, and accurate shots that have power without ko.

Once again, I have to disagree. If that's the case Paulie Malignaggi, Cory Spinks, Floyd Mayweather and Tim Bradley would be KOing everyone. Paullie hits people with speed and shots they don't see, but you don't see the KO... Power = Power, regardless if it's slow or fast. Once you get hit, you will drop if the shot is powerful enough...


In fact, if you get a lot of boxers to stand there and take shots, let's say 100 from PAC, and 100 from Oscar, mosely, Mary etc... I am sure pac's power is comparable, but not as much. Mosely has plenty of ko's at 47 but at 54 he fought wrigt, mayorga, sergio or whatever, oscar and forrest. Those guys are defensive or hof. what isn't so much is his speed. Well in their prime, Oscar and mosely were pretty fast. Marg not so much.

Out of like 17 fights at WW, Mosley had about 4 or 5 KO's at 147. Most of them came when he was a lot younger and just entered the division against sub-par competition. Mosley hit a stretch of 8 years without a KO at WW....


Anyway i would rather take shots from PAC if I had to stand still than marg, Oscar and mosely, simply because they are bigger and marg has a thumping bull type power, and Oscar and mosely aren't weak themselves.

I disagree and I think this is where you're failing to see my point. Although Oscar, Mosley, and Margarito were physically bigger, they were not more powerful, stronger or harder punchers than Pac... Mosley fought all 3 fighters and he says Pac hits the hardest even though they're physically bigger than Pac. Cotto who fought Margarito with loaded gloves and Shane Mosley (both fighters physically bigger than Pac) even said that Pac is stronger, more powerful and hits harder... Margarito who fought Mosley/Cotto even said the same thing. See my point about Pac being stronger even though he's smaller....


As for retiring people, indeed he has done. Oscar was more or less into promoting though. Clottey is missing indeed, maybe embarrassed at that performance or living a healthy lifestyle in Ghana where his payday makes him a king. Hatton has been busy promoting himself and does a few bills in the uk.

It's extremely coincidental that Hatton/ODLH decided to promote after 30+ fights once they fought Pac. It's also coincidental that Clottey is MIA after fighting Pac... Manny gives a huge % of his money to Top Rank. So if Manny isn't making that much money after a fight, I doubt Clottey is just this "rich" retired boxer living off all this money.....

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[BoxingGenius27]

I actually agree with this reply 100%

Now whereas you think it's roids, IMO its a combination of his improved technique (ala Hearnes and Martinez) combined with him not draining himself while putting on muscle mass during training camp.

If you are completely unbiased and look at how manny throws (his foot placement and overall technique) it's easy to see why he is hitting harder. He rarely lunges off his back foot like he use to and actually gets more leverage in his punches. Sergio Martinez is another example of technique improving punching power because if you watch him closely when he was at 154, compare to know, you would see a big difference and why he is hurting his opponent like he is know. Hearnes is boxing best example, but people really under estimate how huge technique is as far as punching power is concerned.

Now as far as him not cutting weight, the only other fighters who actually train to put on muscle mass in camp, like Pacquiao, are the Klitschko brothers and we see how that works to their advantage.

Let's leave roids out of this. I'm strictly talking about Pac's and many other fighters performance and how Pac's keeping his power, speed, and stamina while moving up. All I'm doing is comparing fighters who's tried to do the same thing and their performance while doing it.... Let's keep PED's out of this...

[BoxingGenius27]

I actually agree with this reply 100%

If you are completely unbiased and look at how manny throws (his foot placement and overall technique) it's easy to see why he is hitting harder. He rarely lunges off his back foot like he use to and actually gets more leverage in his punches. Sergio Martinez is another example of technique improving punching power because if you watch him closely when he was at 154, compare to know, you would see a big difference and why he is hurting his opponent like he is know. Hearnes is boxing best example, but people really under estimate how huge technique is as far as punching power is concerned.

I'm going to ask an honest question....

Out of all the "elite" fighters in the past 100 years of boxing, do you think Martinez/Pac are the only ones that know how to plant and throw power punches?

Mayweather is another fighter with perfect technique, who's been a student of the game for over 30 years. I think he and many others know how to throw a punch....

Martinez/Pac aren't throwing punches better than anyone other elite fighter. They just have power that when it connects, it could be lights out....