List of Fighters That Get Stronger As They Go Up In Weight

[$tate of Mind]

If Pacquiao fought guys like Forresst and Wright he'd get his ass beat too. But he's fighting the Cotto's and Margarito's, who an old Shane fought to a draw at worst against a prime undefeated Cotto, and knocked out a fresher Margarito in 9 rounds.

If Pacquiao fights guys like Mayweather, Martinez, and Bradley, i'm pretty sure he'd get his ass beat.

Agreed. Excellent post Kev! I can't wait to see Manny in the ring with somebody that has excellent boxing skills and isn't slow. I think all 3 of the guys you mentioned can beat Manny.

[BoxingGenius27]

I say he isn't a huge WW in terms of size.

That's what makes what he does so remarkable. Not even mentioning the power as a factor also..


However Yes I agree he has good speed, power, and workrate, which he has always had pretty much. However he is landing more shots.
I guess it all depends on who he fights and what they do.

He's landing more shots because of his power and speed. Fighters fear opening up on him because one punch from him can put you down; you see what happen when Cotto/hatton tried to open up against him. Specifically Cotto. He was knocked down 2 times during exchanges...


Mosely has more power to me. He actually KO'd Marg, or TKO, but dropped him. PAC didn't.
Mosely has also gone up in weight and KO'd Mayorga at 154.

Mosley KO'd Mayorga who was already KO'd by ODLH and Tito... By the time Mosley got to him, his chin was suspect. I know that can be seen as my personal opinion, but hey....

You know as well I we do, Pac vs Marg should've been stopped. Marg almost lost an eye for crying out loud. There were a few time Marg was noticalby hurt from a body punch from Pac. Keep in mind, Pac did this by weighing over 20lbs less than Marg. Another point is Marg's face didn't look the same when he fought Mosley than when he fought Pac....

Pac has more combination speed than mayweather, and potshot speed is about the same to me. PAC was faster at 126 from a video clip I saw than at 147.

I disagree with this statement also. I saw pac throw about 10 punches in less than a second against Cotto. I've never seen anyone at welterweight with that combo speed at welterweight besides Leonard or ODLH. Maybe a few others, but it's extremely rare! I never saw Pac with that speed at 126....

I'm fact I wonder what Mosely's ko ratio is from when be was in the lower weights.

Mosley had an extremely high KO % at 135 and below. He only had about 3 KO's fighting at 147+


Then again, he has lost quite a few times going ip.

See my answers posted above in red. I can't do a mult-quote post lol

[New England]

I disagree...

I think he's a huge welterweight. Mosley, who's fought everyone under the sun, said Pac hits harder than anyone he's ever faced....

Honestly, I think pac is a beast. At 147, I think he's a mixture of Margarito (regarding punch output. See 100 punches a round vs clottey), Cotto (Regarding power. only he hits harder), and Mayweather (As far as speed. I think he might be a tad bit faster).

tommy hearns was a huge WW
mike jones is a big WW. antonio margarito was a big WW


manny pacquiao is not a huge ww....
he began his career at 106 (and claims to have actually only weighed 98 lbs, having to put weights in his pockets)
he's 5'6"
67 inches of reach
usually gives up about 10 lbs in the ring

you're just silly if you actuyally believe some of the stuff you say...

shane's corpse fought pacquiao
of course the punches are going to hurt if he cant see them, react to them, or get out of the way


shane's fought bigger punchers than manny. forrest, mayorga, prime cotto, vargas, de la hoya, all these guys punch harder than manny. especially de la hoya and forrest. they were both huge punchers in their primes.

and were much bigger ww's // jr mw's

[BoxingGenius27]

Nonito Donaire is much older than Pacquiao, Pacquiao was at 106 as a 16 year old. Nonito is 28 now and became famous for beating Darchinyan. That was what, 3 or 4 years a go max.

When we mention lower weight classes we're talking about when fighters are at least 18, which is the age they normally turn pro. If we provided a list of of fighters weights at 16, I'm sure they would be a lot lower than there current weight. I say at least start at 18 or when they turned pro...


Nonito has a defer resume, but PAC had better and fought much better opponents. If you can hang with hit at the lower weights such as Barrera and Morales, then I would assume you can go up and hang with some C and B level guys.

I don't know much about Donaire so I won't comment on him. Regarding Barrera/Morales, I don't think they compare to some of Pac's competition skill/strength wise at 147 (i.e ODLH, Mosley, Cotto).... But that's my opinion, I know it's debatable and others may feel differently...


At 140, he hasn't been dropped while at 135 he was dropped by a guy with 5 ko's. Not just dropped, but badly hurt that it was an eight count.

Now at 140, his chin is a mlion times better than how very bad it was. Prescott of course was a bad ko.

That's true regarding Khan's chin. He was wobbled, but he did hold up to Maidana. We still have yet to see how he holds up in the future.


This is somethig to consider. Did you face easy ass guys lower down or not?

Or did you face better quality guys lower down and easier guys going up?

Some say Pac fought damaged goods at 147 and the fighters weren't what they use to be before he fought them. This could be very true. Don't get me wrong, a win is a win, but I'm looking at the manner in which he won. I was AMAZED!!

See above my rebuttals....

[BoxingGenius27]

tommy hearns was a huge WW
mike jones is a big WW. antonio margarito was a big WW


manny pacquiao is not a huge ww....
he began his career at 106 (and claims to have actually only weighed 98 lbs, having to put weights in his pockets)
he's 5'6"
67 inches of reach
usually gives up about 10 lbs in the ring

you're just silly if you actuyally believe some of the stuff you say...

shane's corpse fought pacquiao
of course the punches are going to hurt if he cant see them, react to them, or get out of the way


shane's fought bigger punchers than manny. forrest, mayorga, prime cotto, vargas, de la hoya, all these guys punch harder than manny. especially de la hoya and forrest. they were both huge punchers in their primes.

and were much bigger ww's // jr mw's

Honestly, I think Clottey fought Margarito when Margarito had bricks in his gloves... Notice how Clottey had no problem opening up against a guy with loaded gloves... Same thing can be said for Cotto against margarito. Cotto opened up but was badly hurt. Williams fought a plaster of Paris margarito also and was noticibly hurt later in the fight. We all know Margarito is a big WW...

I say that to say this. Clottey didn't open up against Manny not only because of the speed, but the power also. Same thing applies to Cotto and Mosley. I tend to listen to the guys that actually felt the power over what spectators say. Cotto, Clottey, Mosley, and Margarito all said they never been hit like that with that much power. When I hear someone with credibility like the fighters I just mentioned say that, it tells me they were in with a big, strong, powerful WW who makes his opponents "think" he's weak and vulneralbe when he's really not. I take their word for it....

When I say Pac is a big WW, I don't mean size. Of course not. I'm talking about strong and powerful punches... Yes Mosley and Clottey survived. The only reason Mosley survived was because he ran. Had he opened up, you know as well as I know, he would've been KO'd Ricky Hatton style. That tells me A LOT and you know it's true. Same thing applies to Clottey.

Hell lately, Manny's retired more dudes than Social Security. Now if that's not power, I don't know what is. Add Clottey to the list of Hatton and ODLH. Clottey hasn't fought since. Margarito was almost forced to retire for losing an eye. If that's not the sign of a strong/powerful WW, I don't know what is.....

[BoxingGenius27]

shane's fought bigger punchers than manny. forrest, mayorga, prime cotto, vargas, de la hoya, all these guys punch harder than manny. especially de la hoya and forrest. they were both huge punchers in their primes.

and were much bigger ww's // jr mw's

Keep in mind, Shane said himself that Manny hits harder than all those guys you mentioned... Shane even fought Winky Wright who went on to fight at almost light heavy against Hopkins. Winky's power didn't even come close to Pac's...

[Brother Jay]

yeah but shane got his ass beat as he moved up.....and he was a cheat....nice try tho....

Shane got beat because he fought a guy that had his number from the beginning. Forrest was the same guy who beat Shane in the amateurs. That's why Forrest was brimming with confidence.

No one had beaten Shane before that.

And if I'm correct Shane was guilty of using PEDs when he went up to 154, not 147. Shane's best division was LW, where his KO ratio was out of this world. Shane chased DLH to 147 because he wanted the MONEY.

DLH would have had little chance against Mosley at LW. Shane's power boxing was never as effective as his LW days.

[iPhoneKiller]

See my answers posted above in red. I can't do a mult-quote post lol

Being smaller is extremely rare, but there are advantages of being smaller if your style is not about strength and highly etc...

For example Tyson was short, but his speed and power got him success. This is the case for PAC also.

There are clips of PAC doing his fast shadow boxing thing. Check it out on YouTube, his hands are faster when he was in the lower weight. Indeed the combo you talk of was fast, but it wasn't ten shots in 1 sec. I recall it being seven with cotto on the ropes. Again we can look at it.

As for the Marg fight, it should have been stopped, but the point is the power. He landed hard and flush, and yet didn't drop Marg. The same goes for Oscar, it wasn't a stoppage.

The cotto that exchanged with PAC tried to bully him. cotto said PAC isn't much faster and said he is bigger. The cotto who faced mosely was jabbing away and on the run in the last 3 rounds. What PAC did was time cotto very well, because cotto tried to bully him.

PAC is not just more accurate or landing more because of his speed and power, it's also his punch selection. If you watch him from when he was very low in weight, he had speed and power, but not many combo's, and mainly favoured a right then left. Now he has a powerful right hand and combinations that he has learnt. It is easier to block 1 or two punches compared to 3 or 4.

I agree on the mosely thing, he has lost a lot as he went up, but also he has faced some top guys too. In fact Vernon, Oscar, winky, floyd, PAC, cotto, collazo, even that Latin snake guy are hard to stop.

[jrosales13]

Honestly, I think Clottey fought Margarito when Margarito had bricks in his gloves... Notice how Clottey had no problem opening up against a guy with loaded gloves... Same thing can be said for Cotto against margarito. Cotto opened up but was badly hurt. Williams fought a plaster of Paris margarito also and was noticibly hurt later in the fight. We all know Margarito is a big WW...

I say that to say this. Clottey didn't open up against Manny not only because of the speed, but the power also. Same thing applies to Cotto and Mosley. I tend to listen to the guys that actually felt the power over what spectators say. Cotto, Clottey, Mosley, and Margarito all said they never been hit like that with that much power. When I hear someone with credibility like the fighters I just mentioned say that, it tells me they were in with a big, strong, powerful WW who makes his opponents "think" he's weak and vulneralbe when he's really not. I take their word for it....

When I say Pac is a big WW, I don't mean size. Of course not. I'm talking about strong and powerful punches... Yes Mosley and Clottey survived. The only reason Mosley survived was because he ran. Had he opened up, you know as well as I know, he would've been KO'd Ricky Hatton style. That tells me A LOT and you know it's true. Same thing applies to Clottey.

Hell lately, Manny's retired more dudes than Social Security. Now if that's not power, I don't know what is. Add Clottey to the list of Hatton and ODLH. Clottey hasn't fought since. Margarito was almost forced to retire for losing an eye. If that's not the sign of a strong/powerful WW, I don't know what is.....

Yep no agenda.

[iPhoneKiller]

See above my rebuttals....

Ok well I am not sure what weight he was at 18, I didn't follow him back then, but I do know of him struggling to make weight at weigh in's and getting ko'd. Also he skipped a few weights right? Of course they are a matter of lbs. I assume this was when his body was just growing up to be a man.

Indeed Manny has been pretty impressive recently, he rarely loses rounds now. However it does depend on styles too. PAC needs people to engage to get successful. He doesn't rely on weight so much, but uses his foot speed and hand speed to stay in that midrange to fire off. This is boxing, big muscles don't 'win fights but punches. Being lower in weight probably helps him keep as much speed as possible. Much like Hopkin's stayed low in weight to catch Oscar. I think it was at 158 or something.