The greatest defensive artists of all time

[CubanGuyNYC]

Thanks for posting, man. Those videos were a pleasure to watch. I wonder how many people that refer to the proverbial "slick African-American fighter" are even aware of how awesomely elusive a couple of boxers of Italian origin like Pep and Locche were.

"Jersey" Joe is one of my all-time favorites. He was a showman who could bring the pain.

I'm not sure I would've included Duran in this compilation, but it's tough to argue against it. Few people would think of "Hands of Stone" as a formidable defensive master, but he was almost as good at avoiding punishment as he was at giving it. I remember reading an interview with Carlos Palomino where he told how surprised he was, in their match, with Duran's speed and elusiveness.

I enjoy a good brawl as much as the next guy; but, to me, a true defensive wizard embodies the art of boxing -- the art of hitting and not being hit. Indeed, the men in these videos were artists.

Green K.

[Medved]

I know im going to be hated for this but. I will never rate fighters who I havent seen extensively as great, but yet for the longest time we have all these old farts telling us how amazing these guys were when there is 1-2 grainy video's for their entire careers.

Boxing was so diffirent back then, level of competition was much lower, their technique was worse and how many of them took it like a full time job? Maybe the top of the top could afford to do it, and they fought dudes who worked 50 hours in a coal mine.

I know Boxing is a old-mans sport but I also know that if enough people say something for lots of years then it must be true right? Wrong.

I studied Sport Evolution, and I will say those guys were greats in their time they are NOTHING compared to todays fighter.

Today's fighter is better educated, better trained, better prepared, has better medical access.

Todays boxing is less corrupt, alot more competitive since even a Journeyman makes enough money off boxing to train full time and truly great fighters are seperated by a very thin margin. and we also have FULL VIDEO Evidence for almost all fights of any modern fighter and dont cherry pick 1-2 Grainy Videos where you cant see anything.

Could they have been greats today? Maybe, theres ALOT more competition today and alot of fighters get weeded out thru the Amateurs so we only get best of the crop.

Back then? Heya Joe, I heard you were the toughest guy in town! You wanna fight Bobby from ******ia? Sure!

I cant wait until 20-30 years pass so most of the old dudes who are clinging on to the past are gone and we base fighters on their performances that we can actually see and rate them on, instead of rating people off 1-2 grainy videos and wivestales from the modern equivalent of *****s and *******s

/flame on

[LeadUppercut]

I'd rather watch a defensive clinic of someone making the other fighter look ****** and get schooled, than watch a slugfest....

I love both, I would damn near prefer to watch a good fight than sleep with my wife But dont tell her that. When I was younger, and still fighting, I used to much prefer technical fighters and actually looked at sluggers, pressure-fighters, brawlers, with a little disdain. Which was naive, and possibly a little immature.

Meat does not taste right without gravy, but gravy tastes like **** by itself

Styles make fights, I even like the classic boxer/puncher matchups, which are most likely the kind of matchups which lead to a less exciting fight..

I love a good slugfest now, pity the Antillon fight didnt go a little longer, the first round was sik.

[CubanGuyNYC]

I'd rather watch a defensive clinic of someone making the other fighter look ****** and get schooled, than watch a slugfest....

For me, it depends on who's involved. But I have to say that I lean towards "pure" boxing: skill versus brute force.

[LeadUppercut]

I know im going to be hated for this but. I will never rate fighters who I havent seen extensively as great, but yet for the longest time we have all these old farts telling us how amazing these guys were when there is 1-2 grainy video's for their entire careers.

Boxing was so diffirent back then, level of competition was much lower, their technique was worse and how many of them took it like a full time job? Maybe the top of the top could afford to do it, and they fought dudes who worked 50 hours in a coal mine.

I know Boxing is a old-mans sport but I also know that if enough people say something for lots of years then it must be true right? Wrong.

I studied Sport Evolution, and I will say those guys were greats in their time they are NOTHING compared to todays fighter.

Today's fighter is better educated, better trained, better prepared, has better medical access.

Todays boxing is less corrupt, alot more competitive since even a Journeyman makes enough money off boxing to train full time and truly great fighters are seperated by a very thin margin. and we also have FULL VIDEO Evidence for almost all fights of any modern fighter and dont cherry pick 1-2 Grainy Videos where you cant see anything.

/flame on

You deserve what you will get

I kind of agree with you, but your evaluation is not entirely accurate and will never tell the full story. Also, you gotta compare apples with apples. You dont cross-compare era's, you measure a fighter on how he compared to his peers at the time.

[LeadUppercut]

You deserve what you will get

I kind of agree with you, but your evaluation is not entirely accurate and will never tell the full story. Also, you gotta compare apples with apples. You dont cross-compare era's, you measure a fighter on how he compared to his peers at the time.

e.g.

If Pacquiao fought under the original divisional system, with only one belt, he would likely be a 2-3 division champ, at most. I would actually say maybe 1-2.

[John Barron]

thanks for the videos, brother jay. defensive wizards are tough to come by these days.

Thanks for posting, man. Those videos were a pleasure to watch. I wonder how many people that refer to the proverbial "slick African-American fighter" are even aware of how awesomely elusive a couple of boxers of Italian origin like Pep and Locche were.

"Jersey" Joe is one of my all-time favorites. He was a showman who could bring the pain.

I'm not sure I would've included Duran in this compilation, but it's tough to argue against it. Few people would think of "Hands of Stone" as a formidable defensive master, but he was almost as good at avoiding punishment as he was at giving it. I remember reading an interview with Carlos Palomino where he told how surprised he was, in their match, with Duran's speed and elusiveness.

I enjoy a good brawl as much as the next guy; but, to me, a true defensive wizard embodies the art of boxing -- the art of hitting and not being hit. Indeed, the men in these videos were artists.

Green K.

you said it. it's like watching ballet.


one of my favorite wizards of all time.

[QADASHBANYAH]

technically, the nose-roll does not count as defense ^^

lol the nose roll, thats a damn good one.....

[LeadUppercut]

thanks for the videos, brother jay. defensive wizards are tough to come by these days.

you said it. it's like watching ballet.


one of my favorite wizards of all time.

I got a bit sad watching that, I remember a lot of those fights, good stuff bro. It sucks knowing that your boy can never regain his prime and perform like that again, just like I feel about a 30'ish Marquez at 126.

[VERILY]

I know im going to be hated for this but. I will never rate fighters who I havent seen extensively as great, but yet for the longest time we have all these old farts telling us how amazing these guys were when there is 1-2 grainy video's for their entire careers.

Boxing was so diffirent back then, level of competition was much lower, their technique was worse and how many of them took it like a full time job? Maybe the top of the top could afford to do it, and they fought dudes who worked 50 hours in a coal mine.

I know Boxing is a old-mans sport but I also know that if enough people say something for lots of years then it must be true right? Wrong.

I studied Sport Evolution, and I will say those guys were greats in their time they are NOTHING compared to todays fighter.

Today's fighter is better educated, better trained, better prepared, has better medical access.

Todays boxing is less corrupt, alot more competitive since even a Journeyman makes enough money off boxing to train full time and truly great fighters are seperated by a very thin margin. and we also have FULL VIDEO Evidence for almost all fights of any modern fighter and dont cherry pick 1-2 Grainy Videos where you cant see anything.

Could they have been greats today? Maybe, theres ALOT more competition today and alot of fighters get weeded out thru the Amateurs so we only get best of the crop.

Back then? Heya Joe, I heard you were the toughest guy in town! You wanna fight Bobby from ******ia? Sure!

I cant wait until 20-30 years pass so most of the old dudes who are clinging on to the past are gone and we base fighters on their performances that we can actually see and rate them on, instead of rating people off 1-2 grainy videos and wivestales from the modern equivalent of *****s and *******s

/flame on

That HAS to be a bait post.




Otherwise, , what a schmekel-head.