Comments Thread For: Lennox Lewis: Vitali is Better, I'd Knock Wladimir Out

[edgarg]

Hippocratic oath has nothing to do with "dish[ing] out personal medical information[.]" Doctor didn't violate it by talking to a reporter. Moreover, fighters certainly waive any confidentiality to fight doctors when they get into the ring, either expressly (depending on the forum) or implicitly (so he can do his job and report back to the referee, commission, corner, etc).

I know the exact wording of the Hippocratic Oath, and yes, they certainly don't involve reporters, only the oath to do all possible for the health of the patient, etc. It's about 50 years since I read it and am not perfect on the contents by now. But it is a Medical AXIOM, understood by ALL doctors, that medical information about a patient is inviolable and cannot ever be disclosed (except, maybe and/or in giving court evidence).

In my day even a court could not compel a doctor to violate doctor/patient confidentiality. Have you never heard of this????.....Astonishing. There is more here than meets the "eye".

This is well known, all over the world.

[edgarg]

Grant was KO'd numerous times in that fight by Lewis uppercuts

He landed some big shots on Leiws, but they did no harm...Lewis outclassed him

His chin kept caving into the uppercut, the same punch which had Vitali holding on for dear life, before the fight was stopped

That uppercut is Lewis most deadly punch, Grants chin simply could not handle it. Wlad would also drop just like Grant, both have shaky chins.

You can make whatever excuse you want, the sport of boxing is never clean

Frankie my son, I suppose you mean KD not KO. Also I SAID SPECIFICALLY that that VERY FIRST foul uppercut, was the finish right there. Which it often is, even if the fight goes on a while longer. If you know ANYTHING about boxing, you should know THAT. There weren't many uppercuts, since it finished in, I think the 2rd rd. Correct me if I'm wrong.

And if you've watched Lewis, as I assume you may have, you just CANNOT HELP but see that he uses that FOUL "pull down the head into an uppercut" as his favourite. Lewis was a careful, smart, dirty fighter. I only took a dislike to him after the Larry Merchant Klitschko after-fight interview. before that I liked to see his careful, safety first, cunning fouls, fights.

So there's no point in us even discussing it further.

[IMDAZED]

IMDAZED old boy, I have never said that Klitschko did not lose the fights, but just pointed out that there is MUCH more to a fight than just the bare Boxrec result. the real reasons for some losses are normally NEVER even looked at, except by the observant and those wanting all the facts.

Who ever mentions that Jack Dempsey, before he lost to Gene Tunney, was not the fighter he should have been because he had been living it up HARD in Hollywood for nearly 4 years, really retired, in fact. Didn't he also marry a film star?? I think her name was Estelle Taylor, but could be wrong.

Or that poor Jack Johnson, in his 26 rd fefeat by Jess Willard, hadn't been able to train, had a potbelly (as pictures of the fight show) was 37 (hard) years old, that he beat Willard all over the ring (6 inches shorter, mind) for 25 rounds, but basically collapsed when hit in the 26th, worn out. Who mentions that this fight was made deliberately the way it was, to MAKE SURE that Johnson could NOT win.....it was a 45 round fight, in other words a FIGHT TO A FINISH, like the bad old bareknuckle days, since Johnson, especially in age (37) and his condition (unfit) could not be expected to last more than 10-15 rounds...... They HATED him and had to get rid of him, and get the Title back......They did.

I like to dig into things if I see either in the fight, or in the reports, that something does not exactly fit. Put it down to my former legal training......or just nosiness. But I like to KNOW the truth. It doesn't always work out.

In a former life I was once a "troubleshooter" for over 7 years.

Yes...there's a story to every fight, win or lose. And every loser has an excuse. If you think Haye's toe excuse was bad then wait until you hear the one about poisoning.

[Verstyle]

Do a George Foreman comeback, Lennox!!

[Tobi.G]

Before his retirement Lewis would have beaten any version of Wladimir. But only a Idiot would think that he could come back now and beat Wladimir after 8 years retirement and beeing almost 50.

[edgarg]

Hippocratic oath has nothing to do with "dish[ing] out personal medical information[.]" Doctor didn't violate it by talking to a reporter. Moreover, fighters certainly waive any confidentiality to fight doctors when they get into the ring, either expressly (depending on the forum) or implicitly (so he can do his job and report back to the referee, commission, corner, etc).

No they don't "waive" confidentiality etc.etc. Their medical duties are strictly between themselves and the referee. All they can say to the referee is whether in "their medical opinion" an ijury should cause a stoppage or not. And that's the fight doctor.

This cosmetic surgeon was not a "fight doctor", he was a medical physician treating a private patient, and for him to make newspaper announcements was forbidden. That is , if he actually did make this announcement and it isn't the imagination of a journalist making up "news". A cut inside the mouth haas NEVER been cited as a Klitschko injury in this fight before. not even by the most rabid "Lewisites".

AND, my late first cousin, with whom I grew up, a prominent Liverpool physician, (whose 2 sons and 1 daughter were also doctors) was a "ring" doctor, and whilst we discussed fights often, (his father, my uncle, was an occasional fight promoter, as I've also mentioned on these pages several times)
And he often told me stories about the boxers especially Frank Bruno, with whom he was very friendly, and EVEN knowing my boxing history, NEVER ever mentioned anything which was a doctor/patient confidential matter.

Just a little IRISH Boxing History........For those few who know anything about the building of Dublin's National Boxing Stadium (across the rd from my home) it was partially funded by selling all the RINGSIDE plush seats for a one-time lump sum to LIFETIME patrons. This particular uncle was one of them, and in using his seat during the 1947 European Championships I was privileged to meet Hungarian Laszlo Papp (my all time favourite) and Czech Josef Torma, who won the welterweights.

The Stadium was once the bastion of absolute amateurism, (pro boxing then was just about nil) but now many of the most important pro fights are held there.

[Mr. Invincible]

Grant was KO'd numerous times in that fight by Lewis uppercuts

He landed some big shots on Leiws, but they did no harm...Lewis outclassed him

His chin kept caving into the uppercut, the same punch which had Vitali holding on for dear life, before the fight was stopped

That uppercut is Lewis most deadly punch, Grants chin simply could not handle it. Wlad would also drop just like Grant, both have shaky chins.

You can make whatever excuse you want, the sport of boxing is never clean

You have to be one of the dumbest posters on this website. That's all I'm gona say about you.


On subject. Vitali lost controvercially to say the least and everyone wanted the rematch, including HBO who was frothing at the mouth to have more time to build the second fight on PPV after that first blockbuster and offered Lennox 20 million to take it.

Lennox declined, which really says it all.

End of thread.

[hweightblogger]

With all due respect,Mr Lewis,you had more than enough time to prove your superiority over Wladimir while you were active.The fact that you never pushed for the fight leads me to believe that you weren't as confident in your ability to defeat Wladimir then as you seem to be now.

Exactly.

Coulda, woulda, didn't, ducked.

[Pirao]

Yeah, like you KOed McCall or Rahman in the 1st fight. Lennox must be really bitter towards the Klitschkos, he's been saying a lot of ****** **** about them lately, don't know why, does he feel insecure about something?

[-Lowkey-]

Yeah, like you KOed McCall or Rahman in the 1st fight. Lennox must be really bitter towards the Klitschkos, he's been saying a lot of ****** **** about them lately, don't know why, does he feel insecure about something?

How hard is this to understand?

He was asked a question by an interviewer about the K bros, he did not go out of his way to bring them up (he never does)

He is not bitter jealous or any of that nonsense he has no reason to be he is widely regarded as a top 10/5 Heavyweight of all time the k bros are not and i highly doubt they ever will be.

In the words of the great George Foreman....’Wlad won’t leave much of a legacy in boxing’