Ben Interviews USADA About Arum Comments

[grill vogel]

Yet another ************ thread, sigh.

I will comment on this from a neutral stand point. If Floyd said he wants OLYMPIC style testing then you must DO IT AS THE OLYMPICS DO IT.

and USDA is pretty shady if you read the cyclist's book, the dude who was recently on 60 minutes, he says they have a program where if you get caught doping and you get banned you could rat on your friends and they will erase the ban.

He also said some Athletes get preferential treatment and their guidelines are relaxed for different athletes, so one popular cyclist wont get a ban for having a high (XX) count but a lesser known cyclist will get a ban.

Still, do it like this were the Olympics, you cant say you was Olympic testing but INSIST using USADA. Let Pacq go thru his countries process of finding a IOC/WADA approved lab that will have no conflict of interest and let Floyd go thru USADA.

You guys do know USADA only tests American athletes for the Olympics, other countries have their own commissions. Hell you could test dirty and USADA cant put any bans on you unless you are an American AND the sport acknowledges USADA testing, PROFESSIONAL BOXING DOES NOT, that means a boxer can take 100 USADA tests and piss dirty each time and there's no punishment USADA can give out because they have no authority for professional boxing.

I dont think *****'s will want Floyd to go thru Filipino Athletic Commission Testing so why should Pacman go thru USADA? Makes no sense.

You dont need to be a ******* to see that, you cant be asking for all sorts of tests calling them Olympic then demand you want your own country to do the testing when there are reports they screwed the pooch on the Mosley fight and have a history of being inconsistent with alot of Politics involved.

Simple,
Floyd goes USADA
Pacq goes to his choice of IOC/WADA approved labs.

Why is there an argument? You *****s and *******s need to get laid

He is not competing in any sport where USADA has ANY Authority, do you not realize that? Pacq is a Pinoy citizen, who lives there, who trains there 90% of the time.

USADA has no authority on professional boxing, if this was amateurs then yes you are correct, then they wouldve chosen a neutral site to fight at like the UK.

I dont know why Floyd fans want all these crazy demands? What about what Pacq wants? Or is it that Floyd can make demands and Pacq has to say "yes master" and obey like a dog?

Nope, this would only be true if USADA had Authority in Professional Boxing, they dont.

Thats why this arguement is so silly, this is like going to get a drug test, you can choose any doctor you want as long as he is licensed. If you were in jail then you had to piss infront of that doctor that they put.

Same thing here, if you were in Amateurs or Cycling where USADA can suspend an Athlete then they will be the ones testing.(Jail)

but this is where 2 fighters can choose who they want as long as its a IOC/WADA approved lab.

I sure as hell wouldnt wanna be tested by the USADA even If I was clean, why would I put my faith in that? Who knows how far the corruption reaches?

Theres been lots of BS in America lately where top politicians covering stuff up, murderers walking free, American Town kicking out Mayor and putting Police Chief in charge so they can cover up 200k kickbacks they steal from the city.

If I was American I wouldnt put my faith in Philipeno testing, thats for sure.

So why are you guys so outraged when a Philipeno doesnt want to put his faith behind USADA?

its refreshing to see a normal person post here. bravo sir.

[ThePrince]

I don't know why ANY olympic organization is necessary seeing as how Pro Boxing isn't an Olympic sport and isn't beholden to WADA's code/standards.

The Nevada commission has a well funded random testing program now and if blood testing is so important, contract it out to LabCorp or Quest Diagnostics.

Made a thread about it:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=494237

Notice the *****s avoided that one like a plague and the only ones who responded went on PMS trips about bribes and other bull****

That's the best solution IMO and then we can sit and wait to see which new excuse will be the precursor to the latest 'vacation'

[Medved]

Sorry, but please realize that it's the *****s that's making a BIG deal out of this news, not the *******s. *****s are the ones *****ing about what you just stated above (which I agree on btw). Otherwise, everyone would be happy about this fight close to happening. But like I stated before, boxing fans and *******s are more optimistic for this fight happening, and they're just happy about the progress. Can you honestly say the same thing about the *****s?

My personal opinion? Both dudes should retire, Im not going to beg BOXERS who are proclaimed by their fans as the best in the world to fight each other. Not only that but we are BEGGING them to take 40m dollars, You think other fighters who were REAL did this? Mike Tyson wanted to PAY money to fight a Gorilla. If you told Mike that someone was on roids he would take the fight for teh lulz. If you told JCC that a person was on roids he would take the fight just to show how much better he is.

There has never been any proof, just people throwing out proofless allegations against each other, the only thing we have is a guy who has 3 fights in 4 years yapping his mouth off proclaimed to be the best, but doesnt want to fight anyone without ****** demands.

and a guy who is fighting but not giving it his all, he is too worried about his ****** Karaoke music and political career which he has no business doing because lets face it, Manny is not a very smart person, he is the last person I would want to be in my government.

So I say it again, I dont care, Im not going to beg a fighter to DO HIS JOB and Beg him to take 40million dollars. This is cowardice, never in history of boxing have we seen someone proclaimed to be #1 make excuses and throw out silly demands with no proof. and Manny needs to come out and say it "I want Floyd, lets fight."

My personal view? I think Floyd is mentally weak and is scared to lose his 0 but will fight because he cant manage his money and has alot of useless Entourage/Baby Mamma's that he needs to pay

and Manny? He just doesnt care, he could fight a 10 year old if they pay him the money, Manny doesnt have any motivation to secure his legacy, he lets everyone make his decisions for him. I doubt he even knows who he is going to fight or wants to fight, just lets people pick for him because he doesnt care at all if he fights Floyd or not, he just wants to make some money, make some horrible music and pretend he is a politician.

[Chups]

My personal opinion? Both dudes should retire, Im not going to beg BOXERS who are proclaimed by their fans as the best in the world to fight each other. Not only that but we are BEGGING them to take 40m dollars, You think other fighters who were REAL did this? Mike Tyson wanted to PAY money to fight a Gorilla. If you told Mike that someone was on roids he would take the fight for teh lulz. If you told JCC that a person was on roids he would take the fight just to show how much better he is.

There has never been any proof, just people throwing out proofless allegations against each other, the only thing we have is a guy who has 3 fights in 4 years yapping his mouth off proclaimed to be the best, but doesnt want to fight anyone without ****** demands.

and a guy who is fighting but not giving it his all, he is too worried about his ****** Karaoke music and political career which he has no business doing because lets face it, Manny is not a very smart person, he is the last person I would want to be in my government.

So I say it again, I dont care, Im not going to beg a fighter to DO HIS JOB and Beg him to take 40million dollars. This is cowardice, never in history of boxing have we seen someone proclaimed to be #1 make excuses and throw out silly demands with no proof. and Manny needs to come out and say it "I want Floyd, lets fight."

My personal view? I think Floyd is mentally weak and is scared to lose his 0 but will fight because he cant manage his money and has alot of useless Entourage/Baby Mamma's that he needs to pay

and Manny? He just doesnt care, he could fight a 10 year old if they pay him the money, Manny doesnt have any motivation to secure his legacy, he lets everyone make his decisions for him. I doubt he even knows who he is going to fight or wants to fight, just lets people pick for him because he doesnt care at all if he fights Floyd or not, he just wants to make some money, make some horrible music and pretend he is a politician.

Unbiased and I agree 100%.

[Gino Ros]

Why don't you post Victor Conte's response to that interview. You know, a guy who doesn't work for the company and who doesn't have a vested interest in maintaining USADA's reputation?

DO YOU FEEL VICTOR CONTE IS OBJECTIVE AND HAS A LOT OF CREDIBILITY?

I'm interested in your perspective.

[John Connor]

i'll try to make my post simple and clear for all the ******s on this site....


what in the hell is bob arum talking about ,"we want wada".. for the last time, wada does not do any testing... usada is wada idiots, if the fight is taking place in the united states and you want Olympic testing, guess who wada sends, usada you idiots!... who else do you ***ing expect, the Canadian anti-doping agency?!...

one thing thats just mind blowing is the fact that pacquiao has no problems fighting in the united states for over a decade, making millions may i add, and all of sudden has the nerve to say they dont trust our own drug testing agency... i dont understand why the media has blown this up, than again we all know how biased many media outlets, including this one, are towards manny and top rank fighters...

thats it for my post, i see that typical responses have started with "*******" this and "*****" that... you computer nerds are the worst kind of fans any sport can have

[John Connor]

My personal opinion? Both dudes should retire, Im not going to beg BOXERS who are proclaimed by their fans as the best in the world to fight each other. Not only that but we are BEGGING them to take 40m dollars, You think other fighters who were REAL did this? Mike Tyson wanted to PAY money to fight a Gorilla. If you told Mike that someone was on roids he would take the fight for teh lulz. If you told JCC that a person was on roids he would take the fight just to show how much better he is.

There has never been any proof, just people throwing out proofless allegations against each other, the only thing we have is a guy who has 3 fights in 4 years yapping his mouth off proclaimed to be the best, but doesnt want to fight anyone without ****** demands.

and a guy who is fighting but not giving it his all, he is too worried about his ****** Karaoke music and political career which he has no business doing because lets face it, Manny is not a very smart person, he is the last person I would want to be in my government.

So I say it again, I dont care, Im not going to beg a fighter to DO HIS JOB and Beg him to take 40million dollars. This is cowardice, never in history of boxing have we seen someone proclaimed to be #1 make excuses and throw out silly demands with no proof. and Manny needs to come out and say it "I want Floyd, lets fight."

My personal view? I think Floyd is mentally weak and is scared to lose his 0 but will fight because he cant manage his money and has alot of useless Entourage/Baby Mamma's that he needs to pay

and Manny? He just doesnt care, he could fight a 10 year old if they pay him the money, Manny doesnt have any motivation to secure his legacy, he lets everyone make his decisions for him. I doubt he even knows who he is going to fight or wants to fight, just lets people pick for him because he doesnt care at all if he fights Floyd or not, he just wants to make some money, make some horrible music and pretend he is a politician.

damn, one of the best post i've seen on this site.. i agree with you 100%... both fighters should just retire cause they are both frauds, seriously

[southcentralcar]

damn, one of the best post i've seen on this site.. i agree with you 100%... both fighters should just retire cause they are both frauds, seriously

i didnt read all that **** but if he really said theyre both frauds and should retire thats the MOST ******ED POST on this site. those two are keeping boxing alive and the clits in his avi run the dead division that no one cares about.

[oc9979]

1. He is not competing in any sport where USADA has ANY Authority, do you not realize that? Pacq is a Pinoy citizen, who lives there,
2. who trains there 90% of the time.

3. USADA has no authority on professional boxing, if this was amateurs then yes you are correct, then they wouldve chosen a neutral site to fight at like the UK.

4. I dont know why Floyd fans want all these crazy demands? What about what Pacq wants? Or is it that Floyd can make demands and Pacq has to say "yes master" and obey like a dog?

The contract will dictate who is going to do the testing. If the contract states that USADA will do the testing, then they have all the Authority.

1. Pacquiao trains atleast 4 weeks in the US, so during those 2 weeks, he will most likely will be test by USADA or the company they agreed on.
2. Pacquiao trains about 50% in the US and 50% in Phillipines. 90% training the Phillipines means that he train for about 7 1/2 and come to US to train for like 3-4 days.
3. Read #1 again
4. Cotto catchweight at 145, De La Hoya catchweight 147, Margarito catchweight 150, Cleto Reyes glove vs Morales, 8oz gloves even tho the commision requires 10 oz WW, Penalties for being overweight. Does that sound like a lot of what Pacquiao wants. He is always making demands to other fighters.

[Pretty Boy1]

Nope, this would only be true if USADA had Authority in Professional Boxing, they dont.

Thats why this arguement is so silly, this is like going to get a drug test, you can choose any doctor you want as long as he is licensed. If you were in jail then you had to piss infront of that doctor that they put.

Same thing here, if you were in Amateurs or Cycling where USADA can suspend an Athlete then they will be the ones testing.(Jail)

but this is where 2 fighters can choose who they want as long as its a IOC/WADA approved lab.

I sure as hell wouldnt wanna be tested by the USADA even If I was clean, why would I put my faith in that? Who knows how far the corruption reaches?

Theres been lots of BS in America lately where top politicians covering stuff up, murderers walking free, American Town kicking out Mayor and putting Police Chief in charge so they can cover up 200k kickbacks they steal from the city.

If I was American I wouldnt put my faith in Philipeno testing, thats for sure.

So why are you guys so outraged when a Philipeno doesnt want to put his faith behind USADA?

My point was if Mayweather and Pacquiao are to have random drug tests, they or the promoters or whoever would have to pay an organisation to conduct these tests. Both would have to be tested by the same organisation and because the fight is happening in America it would be by an American organisation, plus both train in America. (Manny trains a bit in Phillipines but moves to Wildcard for most of his training). How many organisations are there for random blood tests in America? If theres more than one then pick another one that's better. I personally don't give a **** about all this OST ****. I just want to see them fight!!