How comes Americans didn't flame Hopkin's for refusing to do OST?

[deejd]

The seed was planted years ago with Holyfield-Tyson. Floyd may have planted another seed but it takes a lot more than a few seeds to grow a crop. And if the public isn't behind it there is no (figuratively speaking) water for that crop to grow. Capiche?

Holyfield-Tyson isn't the same magnitude of Mayweather-Pacquiao, not to mention, there's a new wave of sports fans. Steroids wasn't as a big an issue throughout sports at the time Holyfield-Tyson took place. Now we're in an era where athletes have been caught using and even linked (Holyfield) to PEDs. Apparently, there is water, otherwise, sports fans wouldn't be shelling out their hard-earned cash to watch fights where better testing has been implemented leading up to the event. Capiche?

[deejd]

See, you're doing EXACTLY what I've said most fans do. You're letting Hopkins off the hook and you're blaming Pac. It doesn't matter what ANY fighter says, it's what is actually done. If Hop is in favor of testing he should be implementing it into his fights. Why is it not being questioned that he hasn't?

I'm not. Until somebody requests that Hopkins submit to random testing before a fight has been signed for, we have to wait and see what his response is. Yeah, Hopkins has never said he'd implement it for his fights, but he's stated that he's not against extra testing.

Manny Pacquiao has lied. Hopkins hasn't. That's why Hopkins is being let off the hook, according to you.

[JAB5239]

Holyfield-Tyson isn't the same magnitude of Mayweather-Pacquiao, not to mention, there's a new wave of sports fans. Steroids wasn't as a big an issue throughout sports at the time Holyfield-Tyson took place. Now we're in an era where athletes have been caught using and even linked (Holyfield) to PEDs. Apparently, there is water, otherwise, sports fans wouldn't be shelling out their hard-earned cash to watch fights where better testing has been implemented leading up to the event. Capiche?

With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about.

[JAB5239]

I'm not. Until somebody requests that Hopkins submit to random testing before a fight has been signed for, we have to wait and see what his response is. Yeah, Hopkins has never said he'd implement it for his fights, but he's stated that he's not against extra testing.

Manny Pacquiao has lied. Hopkins hasn't. That's why Hopkins is being let off the hook, according to you.

You're avoiding the point. That being you're willing to condemn one fighter with no proof against him, but will let another off the hook with out even questioning the same things you point to in the first guy. That is a double standard!!

[deejd]

The point is that poelpe are all about calling out one fighter because another fighter said so, but they don't care about the possibility of another fighter using PED's. Hopkins is just a very good example because of his ability to move up in weight and be so successful at such an advanced age for boxing. There isn't a shred of proof EITHER fighter has juiced and that just goes to show the double standard.

Again, what do you not understand about Pacquiao lied and Hopkins didn't. If Hopkins rejects random testing when it's requested of him for a fight, he'd get it the worst from media, fans, peers, everyone. I'd question him the same way I've question anybody not for better testing. Once again, though, I reiterate, Hopkins has not lied. Pacquiao has, there's a difference.

[jrosales13]

Link, please.... also, that's being asked after the fight, not during negotiations prior to making the fight. Bad job.

It's true...You might be able to find the link.

Also AA wanted Ward to do one when they were negotiating refs, site and all that. But, it didn't happen for some reason.

It's whatever though...People only care about Pac and Floyd.

People only see Pac as being the cheater and no one else.

[deejd]

You're avoiding the point. That being you're willing to condemn one fighter with no proof against him, but will let another off the hook with out even questioning the same things you point to in the first guy. That is a double standard!!

No, it's not. Pacquiao verbally agreed to random testing before a contract was signed, yet in reality, a contract was never signed as he didn't agree to random testing. He lied, deal with it.

Hopkins has stated that he supports extra testing. Nobody has requested that he undergo random testing before the contract was signed. Nobody, not even Pascal. Hopkins has not lied thus far.

It's really not a hard concept to grasp.

[deejd]

With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Right, because steroids was a big issue in sports when they fought.

[deejd]

It's true...You might be able to find the link.

Also AA wanted Ward to do one when they were negotiating refs, site and all that. But, it didn't happen for some reason.

It's whatever though...People only care about Pac and Floyd.

People only see Pac as being the cheater and no one else.

Links... really, I'd like to read the articles. What was the reason, as well?

[JAB5239]

Again, what do you not understand about Pacquiao lied and Hopkins didn't. If Hopkins rejects random testing when it's requested of him for a fight, he'd get it the worst from media, fans, peers, everyone. I'd question him the same way I've question anybody not for better testing. Once again, though, I reiterate, Hopkins has not lied. Pacquiao has, there's a difference.

(shaking my head) I don't care about requirements nor requests.If it isn't from the commision it isn't official. But that has nothing to do with why you don't question a 46 year old mans ability to put 15lbs on, move up 2 divisions and become an elite fighter after he had fallen off to a mediocre middleweight. Please explain why that doesn't arouse your su****ion?