Comments Thread For: Roach: Mayweather is Capable of Knocking Ortiz Out

[Convicted_Felon]

Guess what Freddie? He's capable of knocking your boy out too. He's going to be looking for you guys on Nov. 13th, make sure you guys pick up the phone. It's time for you to back that talk up with action. Floyd's more than willing to fight. Bob Arum is in agreement with the unlimited drug tests, so there's no excuses anymore. Bring Pacquiao to the MGM and fight The Pretty Boy. He's game and we're waiting. What say you?
Oh, and we know that you know losing excess weight can drain even the young fighters. He claims that he was telling Ortiz to move up in weight for years. He also says that Pacquiao and Ortiz is some of the best 'work' known to man, but he goes on to say that Ortiz gets knocked down in the gym by guys that aren't even that good. Roachie, which one is it? Your fighter is not the best fighter in the world by a long shot. If you guys weren't major ducks, Manny would've a beaten man more than once over. Hey Roachie, Suk it!

[LeadUppercut]

damn, dude got knocked down twice in sparring? that's bad news.

Thats sparring man, it happens.

But, didn't you read the whole article either ?

What's with you cherry-pickers carefully selecting comments to run with ?

Freddie Roach said that Ortiz had problems because he was drained at 140.

As I have said a number of times, Freddie told Vic to move up years ago.

Roach also stated that Ortiz was a much better fighter at welter, but..... anyone who watched the Berto fight can see that, surely?

BTW, seeing that you hold Roach in such high esteem, and you think that sparring sessions are so important, explain two things for me.....

1.) If Freddie Roach feels that Ortiz gave Manny " some of the best sparring sessions you've ever seen in your life "

And.....

2.) Ortiz beat up Berto, who had already been short-listed for Pacquiao

Then.....

Why did Manny duck..... ooops, I mean....., refuse, Victor Ortiz, stating that he was "too green"..... and yet Bob Arum thinks that Mike Jones and Kermit Cintron are " nearly ready " ?

I cant wait to hear your reply on that one.

You will reply, wontcha ?

[javysouthpaw]

In that video Roach wanted Mosley at 142 but he is fighting JMM at 144.

[Brother Jay]

I don't know, maybe the same reason u comment on what floyd can/will/should do. My guess is, and it's just a guess mind u, freddie has seen a few of floyds fights.... I know I know, that's really hard to believe, ur the only one who's ever watched floyd mayweather do his thing in the ring . Listen little buddy, u don't have to be in floyds corner or any fighters corner for that matter to get an idea of what he's capable of. U seem to think u know plenty sitting on ur couch, I'ma take a wild guess here, freddie probably knows a little bit more then u do.

Roach, who took on training DLH to fight Floyd, said that he ONLY became aware of weaknesses in DLH AFTER HAVING TRAINED HIM. If he was the "boxing sage" that you're painting him out to be, wouldn't he have known about DLH's weaknesses BEFORE he trained him?

I'm serious. Explain this. Tell me how it took a training camp for Roach to see things about DLH, but he "knows" things about Floyd Mayweather!

Every trainer or coach has an idea of what habits a fighter has. That's why they watch tapes and study them. ****m Richardson thought he knew what Floyd was capable of, but Floyd showed us ALL something we NEVER expected to see: He walked Shane Mosley down for 12 rounds. Roach thought he knew something about Mayweather and WAS PAID TO COME UP WITH A GAMEPLAN TO DEFEAT FLOYD MAYWEATHER. Did DLH win? No. According to the punchstats, was it close? No. Now if this mutha fcuker his getting paid a million dollars to come up with something and still can't even come close, WTF makes any of you think that he "knows" **** about what he can't come close to?

So his so-called off-handed compliment is an attempt to downplay any significance a win over Victor Ortiz would hold. Its doesn't take a fcuking rocket scientist to see that.

There are opinions, and then there are the facts. The fact is that the last time Floyd knocked out a true WW was Sharmba Mitchell. Floyd is fighting a 24 year old WBC champion who not only survived being floored twice by former WW champion Berto, but got up and floored Berto twice himself. He ain't no chump and he's tasted WW power and gone on to win.

So they next time you want to get cute with words, know your **** peasant.

I agree with a lot of what you said, and yes, fighters get old overnight but to say Mayweather has a glass jaw is wrong.

You misunderstood, my brother. I didn't say Floyd had a glass jaw. I said that Floyd getting caught twice by Mosley showed that he isn't using his defense to cover up a glass jaw ... meaning that he doesn't have one because we saw it tested twice in one round.

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[xxjace]

Thier throwing Ortiz career away fighting mayweather..and yes I believe he will get stopped for sure..I actually like victor but they went about this the wrong way..Ortiz should be spoon fed to get more confidence back..and then maybe a maidana rematch.I give Ortiz no chance at winning this unless he scores some lucky punch..gonna be a bad night for Ortiz..and right after he was getting his career back on track.

[Brother Jay]

Thier throwing Ortiz career away fighting mayweather..and yes I believe he will get stopped for sure..I actually like victor but they went about this the wrong way..Ortiz should be spoon fed to get more confidence back..and then maybe a maidana rematch.I give Ortiz no chance at winning this unless he scores some lucky punch..gonna be a bad night for Ortiz..and right after he was getting his career back on track.

How is a loss to the greatest fighter of this era throwing Ortiz' career away?

Its interesting that you have the avatar that you do. Mr Bernard Hopkins. Let's talk about him.

In 1993, Bernard Hopkins faced and lost to rising star Roy Jones Jr. Bernard lost and didn't face a champion in his own for another 8 years. That means all toll Hopkins hadn't faced 1 champion in his career for 13 years! He defended a vacant belt for 8 of them, but had not ever faced a champion for 13 of those years!

Did Hopkins throw his career away by facing and losing to Jones? Jones went on the next year to face the #1 P4P fighter in the world at that time: James Toney. This while Hopkins was stuck at MW fighting challengers until an ambitious WW tried to move up in an effort to face RJJ. Hopkins was the gatekeeper at MW, and he beat young Trinidad. Did that mean that Hopkins was finally vindicated?

No, Hopkins squandered any momentum that victory had earned him. He sat back content to fight even more club fighters until 2004 when he faced DLH, another WW, but that did nothing to make up for the 16 years of club fighters and defending one, solitary vacant title.

Was his career and legacy over? Nope. It was when many wrote Hopkins off for having a boring and uneventful career than Hopkins did what he should have done as a young man: He stepped his game up.

Hopkins has in the last the last 6 years done more in his career than he has from 1988-2004. He totally revamped his image, his legacy and the amount of meaningful accomplishments he had amassed.

Hopkins has had his share of setbacks, but if he let his 1993 loss to Jones keep him from continuing, he would not be the current HOF and ATG that he is now. Not to mention THEE OLDEST MAN EVER TO WIN A WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP!

Ortiz is a young kid. If he doesn't get by Floyd, as long as he keeps jabbing in life and in his career, his time will come too.

[-Kev-]

I like how Roach says "Weight really makes a difference". He should know this, the master behind catchweights, only his fans say weight wouldn't make a difference.

[pugay_kamay]

Why is Freddie Roach talking about what Floyd can and cannot do? Roach has never trained Floyd. Roach doesn't know Floyd's strengths or weaknesses.

Why is Roach talking about either Floyd or Ortiz and not Manny or Juan Manuel?

I'll tell you why.

First, it was a dig at Mayweather's competition. Freddie Roach has to keep the public thinking that WBC world champion is not credible opposition. If people begin to see that Mayweather always fights the best at the point when they are on top, it makes Pacquiao look bad.

So Freddie will say that Floyd can knock Victor Ortiz out despite real fans knowing that since Floyd came up in weight without Victor Conte's help, the power Floyd carried in his SFW days has diminished.

If Freddie Roach begins saying that "Floyd should knock him out" and makes it seem like a compliment, if Floyd fails to knock Ortiz out it will be looked upon as some sort of decline in Mayweather's skills. Roach hopes that Manny will knock out 37 year old Marquez so that he can then say "Well, Manny is knocking his guys out but Mayweather can't close the show."

Basically, its a backhanded compliment that meant to be taken as an expectation. The thing that Roach didn't count on was boxing fans waking up and beginning to use better judgment when weighing the quality of a win. Had Manny fought Marquez 3 years ago and beat him, the win would have been much more significant.

After this fight with Marquez, if Floyd dominates Ortiz or even worse stops him, Pacquiao will be in an even weaker position from which to make demands from. Floyd will be the WBC WW champion and the #1 P4P defending champion in boxing.

What will Pacquiao's claim to fame be afterwards? That he out-waited Marquez until he was ripe for the picking?

Roach knows that Pacquiao's pickings are very slim. I can't think of another fight that anyone would want to see other than if he were to face Paul Williams @147lbs. Possibly Tim Bradly.

Top Rank isn't going to tell the public that they are desperate in a press release. When Roach starts giving interviews saying this kind of **** and one realizes that there are no more than at best 2 matches worth selling for Pacquiao, it becomes clear that they have nowhere else to go. Arum says 5 more fights. Against who? Who will sell? Cintron? Who the fcuk has he beat? Who would pay to see that fight?

Its getting down to the wire folks.

Dude, Roach was interviewed and was asked about Floyd, and he answered the question. And being a long time trainer and a former boxer himself, I think he has the credibility to say something about Floyds capabilities. Unlike other posters here who think they know the boxer well, just like your post nobody ask your opinion but you did post it here. Right?

And who is more credible than the two of you between Roach interms of boxing, boxers and trainers? You or Roach?

Thank you!

PEACE!

[Brother Jay]

Dude, Roach was interviewed and was asked about Floyd, and he answered the question. And being a long time trainer and a former boxer himself, I think he has the credibility to say something about Floyds capabilities. Unlike other posters here who think they know the boxer well, just like your post nobody ask your opinion but you did post it here. Right?

And who is more credible than the two of you between Roach interms of boxing, boxers and trainers? You or Roach?

Thank you!

PEACE!

Well unlike Roach, I was never paid to train a fighter to beat Floyd and then failed to do so.

So you can go on about what credibility Roach has, but Roach said that Floyd would NEVER fight Mosley. Then when Floyd signed to do so Roach said it would be a boring fight where Floyd ran all night. Is that how much Roach knows about what Floyd can do? He can't have it both ways!!!

So far, I've been correct in my assessments. So far, I haven't had to talk about my involvement in the sport and under who I've been trained. While those details might lend more credibility to my posts, I don't need them. Neither do my posts.

The facts are the facts. Freddie Roach knows about as much about Floyd as you or I. If he knew something more he would have been eager for his fighter to have fought and exposed what you and I supposedly don't know.

I know this because its the same for every trainer. They all have a plan. 41 have failed. But all of a sudden Freddie Roach has figured some **** out?

You come on the internet to profess Roach's experience as a trainer but you can't offer any insight to what Floyd can do either? Why not? If you can vouch for Freddie it should only be because you yourself can do the same thing, right?

You don't know me, and I don't know you. Don't talk to me as if you know who I am. I could be easily be someone involved with Roach or Mayweather. But you come off like a complete ass when you assume that you know what I know. Don't worry about who I am. My posts represent my sentiments and they do that well.

I don't care if you were Freddie Roach himself I would tell you that you are full of ****. He can't make public statements about a fighter and be wrong so many times and then be seen as having some secret knowledge or strategy concerning the guy.

That's called "bluffing to seem like you have a chance".

41 people thought they knew what Floyd could do. 41 people thought that they could take advantage of that knowledge. How many were right? How many more times does Floyd have to adjust during a fight before folks realize that having an idea about what he has done is not the same as understanding the limits of what he can do?

There is no credible response you can give. You endorsing Roach's opinion is like me endorsing the notion of time travel being possible because its "sounds good" thanks to Einstein's theory of relativity. Until someone actually proves what they know, its all bull****.

That was my point from the beginning: Don't pontificate about something that zero people have had success proving. That goes both for you and Roach.