Why did holyfield beat tyson ? .

[Kid Achilles]

obviously u havnt seen tyson fight. especially in the 80s. why do u think he threw his jab for, to show people that he had fast hands. he threw his jab to get INSIDE!!!!!!!!!!!! duhhhhhhhhh. i cant believe u said that. what did u think he did with those short arms jab outside like ali. on all of his knockouts and yes i said all he get inside he never tries to stay outside. learn some **** about tyson before postin bull**** like that. dont judge jus 90s tyson. that would me like me judgin ali when he got his ass whiped by larry holmes and trevor berbick. cause ali jus wasnt the same. do me a favor and download some tyson fights in the 80s before judgin a legend

I've already explained this too many times on this forum but for your sake I'll do it again. Watch James Toney and Bernard Hopkins to see what a skilled inside fighter looks like. Tyson used his jab to get by his opponents own, he'd get inside, maybe land a combinaton, and then get out. That is not inside fighting. Inside fighting is about leaning into your opponent and beating the hell out of their chest and body. Watch Joe Louis in any of his fights, and Hopkins especially against Trinidad. Inside fighting is knowing how to clinch, break a clinch, and fight out of a clinch without needing the refs help. An inside fighter stays at that range for extended periods of time to get some work in. Tyson didn't do that. It was in and out. If you clinched him, he let you, because messing around in there just wasn't his game.

Tyson was not an inside fighter. You can rant on as much as you want about his short arms and whatnot, but that does not somehow give him skills that he didn't have.

[sanjayint]

2 reasons why holyfield beat tyson:
1. Holyfield could take tyson's punches
2. holyfield isnt scared of anybody.

if tyson cant scare you or KO you, he cant beat you.

YOU DAM RITE!! HOLYFIELD AINT SCARED!!

[TheWave]

lol? Tyson is 5,10. If he would fight outside, how the **** would he become the world champion?

Tyson is a living example that no matter how small you are, you can still grab the title.

[TheWave]

Tyson used his jab to get by his opponents own, he'd get inside, maybe land a combinaton, and then get out. That is not inside fighting. Inside fighting is about leaning into your opponent and beating the hell out of their chest and body.

haha. Imagine inside boxing like this. This is the danger meter: [:::::]
After being inside for more then 6 seconds, the danger meter is full and you should get out before your opponent gets you with the hardest punch in your life.

Jab, whop, inside with a combination or three, get out. (y) That's smooth.

[grayfist]

There are several stories that continue to go around-- many of them conflicting-- about what happened when Mike met Vander during their amateur days for sparring sessions.

Maybe, just maybe, the one who knows the real story could provide the answer to this thread's initial question...?

[KidBlackie]

Tyson was a very accomplished inside fighter. Only Burns and Marciano had a shorter reach. His style was predicated on boxing and defense, not grappling, so no, he never grappled under D'Amato's system. Why should he? He was busy pitching shutouts and KOS. It's not like he HAD to grapple to protect himself, he was already well covered up. The ref breaks em and Tyson immediately went back to work.

Let's take a look at two good inside fighters, Corrales and Castillo. Both took a ton of punishment in their last fight and one was KOed and the other came within a whisker of being KOed. Tyson rarely took punishment under D'Amato's system and was never in any trouble in the ring. All the criticism of Tyson dates to when he stopped training properly under D'Amato's system. He still had his natural talent and some residual skills, but physically and mentally he lost his focus and never could stem the long decline. Before then he was as perfect a fighter in the ring as could ever be imagined.

[ChrististheAnswer2]

I've already explained this too many times on this forum but for your sake I'll do it again. Watch James Toney and Bernard Hopkins to see what a skilled inside fighter looks like. Tyson used his jab to get by his opponents own, he'd get inside, maybe land a combinaton, and then get out. That is not inside fighting. Inside fighting is about leaning into your opponent and beating the hell out of their chest and body. Watch Joe Louis in any of his fights, and Hopkins especially against Trinidad. Inside fighting is knowing how to clinch, break a clinch, and fight out of a clinch without needing the refs help. An inside fighter stays at that range for extended periods of time to get some work in. Tyson didn't do that. It was in and out. If you clinched him, he let you, because messing around in there just wasn't his game.

Tyson was not an inside fighter. You can rant on as much as you want about his short arms and whatnot, but that does not somehow give him skills that he didn't have.

Again, I say u have never seen Tyson fight. Name a Tyson fight back when he was champion where he displayed the type of in-fighting your talking about. You can't, but go and watch the Berbick fight, or Thomas, or Jose Ribalta, u cannot seriously tell me that this is not great inside fighting. Other fighters clinched Tyson because they didn't want to fight on the inside with him.

[Mike_R]

why must these threads exist? lets not dwell in the past, we have an outcome. it's in the books. i'm a bigger tyson fan than i am a holyfield fan myself- but i shall not moan about their fights. 'tyson could have beat him if it was the 86-88 tyson!'

it wasn't the 86-88 tyson. it was the 97 tyson. the 97 tyson lost because he was overconfident and underestimated holyfield. and then lost again because despite the fact he was looking better than holyfield was up to the DQ (to me anyways), he decided to have a second lunch that day. his bust. that fight wasn't lost to him yet- and he still went and did something ****** and dramatic for no concrete reason.

[Kid Achilles]

Just watch his fights. The proof is in the pudding. I am through arguing on this thread with people who can't understand simple concepts. Being a short man does not make you a great inside fighter. Marciano wasn't an awesome inside fight either. Joe Louis was much, much better. The same with Dempsey who was nearly 6'2" and 6'5" Rid**** Bowe. They were all tall rangy guys who dominated on the inside. Bodytypes do not impart skills in an individual.

[ChrististheAnswer2]

Just watch his fights. The proof is in the pudding. I am through arguing on this thread with people who can't understand simple concepts. Being a short man does not make you a great inside fighter. Marciano wasn't an awesome inside fight either. Joe Louis was much, much better. The same with Dempsey who was nearly 6'2" and 6'5" Rid**** Bowe. They were all tall rangy guys who dominated on the inside. Bodytypes do not impart skills in an individual.

U can't even back up your argumnt with any evidence. Just stop talking, u have no idea what your saying.