Comments Thread For: Mayweather Rips Pacquiao: Praised For My Leftovers

[pistol whip]

Oh you mean you don't know? You mean you go by sanctioning bodies?

Listen, if you're a boxing fan then you know that Margarito wasn't anywhere near the best available at 147 or 154 at that time. Maybe 150? Not even that. Maybe if it was 2008 when that happened? I don't know. I'm trying to help you but if going by sanctioning bodies is what you do then I'm afraid you're hopeless. Try using your own brain instead of having Jose Sulaiman think for you.

Oh and will you please shut the *** up and just answer the question. Who is this mythical welterweight that pac has been avoiding all these years?

[IMDAZED]

Of course u would forget the whole 15+ pound weight advantage part. I mean floyd who is a full on natural welterweight fights middleweights all the time right? Because thats exactly what floyd would have to do to equal the size disadvantages that Pac has had in his last 5 fights in a row.

Why would I care about that? Margarito was damaged goods and even worse having to suck down at 150. Of course you would forget that, right? Please, man. The guy looked like **** against Garcia. And got KTFO before that. Those two things probably made him the best available contender to you .

[ThePrince]

Oh you mean you don't know? You mean you go by sanctioning bodies?

Listen, if you're a boxing fan then you know that Margarito wasn't anywhere near the best available at 147 or 154 at that time. Maybe 150? Not even that. Maybe if it was 2008 when that happened? I don't know. I'm trying to help you but if going by sanctioning bodies is what you do then I'm afraid you're hopeless. Try using your own brain instead of having Jose Sulaiman think for you.

I was asking YOU specifically how YOU determine who the best available fighter is.

Was Mosley considered the best available for Floyd because he was ranked highly by the RING, ESPN, etc in 2010?

Is that the same reason why Berto was supposedly the best option because he was ranked #2 and Mosley #3 even though his (Berto's) most recent fight at welter was Freddy ****ing Hernandez? Mosley's recent WW fights were against Floyd and lineal champ Margarito.

I'm saying Mosley was old, shot, past his prime, gassed early, couldn't pull the trigger when he fought Floyd and in hindsight, Clottey was a tougher challenge for Manny in 2010 than Shane was for Floyd. He was far younger, active, better stamina, and a defensive counter puncher.. but the rankings don't agree with me.

So how do YOU, Imdizzy, determine who the best available is?

[pistol whip]

If you are comparing how these guys won against the same opponent then you don't know **** about boxing. One guys is a pure boxing and a defensive genius while the other guy is a offensive monster. Of course the outcome will be different and if you don't know that then you're a complete idiot. Julio Cesar Chavez looked better than Pernell against some of the same opponents but that didn't mean **** when they fought. I'm not saying Mayweather would beat Manny like Pernell beat the hell out of Chavez but i am saying you can't compare results like that. Its really ****ing ******ed.

Ugh pac has some pretty good defensive skills too. i just wanted to mention that.

[IMDAZED]

Oh and will you please shut the *** up and just answer the question. Who is this mythical welterweight that pac has been avoiding all these years?

The best available one when it's time to fight. LOL @ me avoiding a question when I've been asking the same thing throughout this thread:

When was the last time Manny Pacquiao fought the best available welter?

Hmmm?

[ThePrince]

Why would I care about that? Margarito was damaged goods and even worse having to suck down at 150. Of course you would forget that, right? Please, man. The guy looked like **** against Garcia. And got KTFO before that. Those two things probably made him the best available contender to you .

Ortiz is damaged goods then too, would you not agree? And how is it that a career welter, who had done the whole 154 to 147 thing with no issues in the past 'sucking down' to make weight.

If anything, Manny was facing a bigger, stronger, and more durable Margarito as opposed to the one Mosley fought. I don't know if a truly drained Margarito at 145 would've stood up to the beating Manny put on him.

[IronDanHamza]

Yes there was demand for a Mosely fight but that doesn't mean that there wasn't also demand for a cotto fight.

I was actually referring to Mayweather-Mosley in regards to public demand and thought I made that quite clear.

Lets be honest here if Pac fought Mosely and didn't fight Cotto till later down the road you would be making the same argument only in reverse.

Erm, actually no, I wouldn't.

Was a Shane vs pac match up mentioned in the press? Yes of course but exaggerating your point of view to make it seem like people were rioting in the streets when Pac fought Cotto instead of Mosely is just plain ******.

Yeahhhhh, never once implied that.

The truth is fans were happy with either fight being made. Now you can tell yourself that Shane was the better option all you want but im sorry i think you are wrong.

Absolutely.

I was elated at the Cotto-Pac fight. Like I have said on many occasions, a truley exceptional win for Pac.

Mosley would have been the slightly better fight in my opinion but can't get mad at Pac for fighting argubally the toughest option available in Miguel Cotto.

And the point im trying to make about Cotto is that you are using the triangle theory to justify your point of view. Mosely beat Margarito who beat Cotto so that makes Mosely the best option right?

I am using a triangle theory? And where is that? Quote me, if you will.

I am saying I consider Mosley being ranked #1 coming off an impressive win as opposed to Cotto coming off a not so impressive win an argubally tougher fight than Cotto for Pac.

No triangle theories used there, as far as I'm aware.

Please, feel free to highlight anywhere in this thread where I have used a triangle theory.

Well Cotto beat mosely who beat margarito so how the *** does that factor into everything?

.....It doesn't....

The truth is the Cotto fight was just plain easier to make. Nobody was afraid of Shane it was simply easier for the promoter to make the fight with Cotto. I mean the Top rank vs Golden Boy rivalry is pretty well documented and it shocks me that so called boxing fans like yourself are so quick to crap on pac and forget that the "promoters" involved explain why Cotto got the fight and not Mosely. How convinient that u forget that little fact and criticize Pac based on some eutopian boxing world where there are no promoters involved. Get real my friend!

Where have I critisized Pac for fighting Cotto?

Everything you have said in this short paragraph concerning the Cotto and Mosley scenario is absoltuely true.

Yet, it still does not change the fact that Mosley was argubally the best option available at that time according to many people.

This isn't critisizm. For the last time, the Cotto fight was an incredibley impressive win against one of, if not THE best fighter available at time. I have stated this countless times on here.

[IMDAZED]

I was asking YOU specifically how YOU determine who the best available fighter is.

Typically by using my own BRAIN.

Was Mosley considered the best available for Floyd because he was ranked highly by the RING, ESPN, etc in 2010?

here's where using your own brain comes in. See...I watched Mosley's last fight...and that's why he was universally recognized as such by not just ESPN and Ring (what happened to sanctioning bodies, princess?) but by nearly everyone!

Is that the same reason why Berto was supposedly the best option because he was ranked #2 and Mosley #3 even though his (Berto's) most recent fight at welter was Freddy ****ing Hernandez? Mosley's recent WW fights were against Floyd and lineal champ Margarito.

Or maybe Berto was a better option than someone who hadn't won a fight in over two years? Just a thought.

I'm saying Mosley was old, shot, past his prime, gassed early, couldn't pull the trigger when he fought Floyd and in hindsight, Clottey was a tougher challenge for Manny in 2010 than Shane was for Floyd. He was far younger, active, better stamina, and a defensive counter puncher.. but the rankings don't agree with me.

Yeah except Floyd was willing to find all that out when Mosley was perceived a threat. Manny wasn't. What else is new?

So how do YOU, Imdizzy, determine who the best available is?

So there you have it, sweetie. Amazing what you can do when you use your own mind? Still letting Jose speak for you? @ Margarito being #1 by the WBC and having the gall to use that as some sort of back-up. Kill yourself.

[beatnutts]

who the hell said Manny didn't have good defensive skills. I know that but i also know, and its pretty much agreed that Mayweather is known for his defensive genius and Manny is known for his offensive genius. That why people want them to fight. I mean, i wasn't saying that like i was trying to slight Manny. God people take things so seriously when their perceived boxing idol is talked about.

[Blubba]

The best available one when it's time to fight. LOL @ me avoiding a question when I've been asking the same thing throughout this thread:

When was the last time Manny Pacquiao fought the best available welter?

Hmmm?

play the daisy game , divert question lol

so we do this,

when was the last time floyd fought the best available welter?