Kostya Tsyzu..all time great???

[Kimmy]

See the problem with Tszu is that he has lacked the big fights. he has beaten some very good fighters but not the likes of a mayweather or a De la Hoya etc..
He did KO Zab Judah and this is probably his best win but apart from that he hasn`t got the name reconition on his record. He is one of the best Jnr Welters of all time, maybe top three material but he needs a fight with a big name future legend. JC Chavez don`t count because he was shot to bits, but I think a De La Hoya fight or Mosley if Mosley can get his act together and won so meaningful fights would make sense. Of course the best fight out there at Jnr Welter is one against Mayweather Jnr but i don`t think HBO and showtime will work that one out, too much money and too much risk on both sides.

[drag0n_]

For me Kostya is a great fighter, but is not an "all-time great" at this present time. But a few big fight wins will elevate him to 'all-time great status.

[scramwarrior]

See the problem with Tszu is that he has lacked the big fights. he has beaten some very good fighters but not the likes of a mayweather or a De la Hoya etc..
He did KO Zab Judah and this is probably his best win but apart from that he hasn`t got the name reconition on his record. He is one of the best Jnr Welters of all time, maybe top three material but he needs a fight with a big name future legend. JC Chavez don`t count because he was shot to bits, but I think a De La Hoya fight or Mosley if Mosley can get his act together and won so meaningful fights would make sense. Of course the best fight out there at Jnr Welter is one against Mayweather Jnr but i don`t think HBO and showtime will work that one out, too much money and too much risk on both sides.

I love Kostya Tzyu and everything, but he is simply one of the best fighters of his generation, not all time. He cannot be compared to fighters like ROberto Duran, who fought at basically every division up to middleweight and won titles. Greats like Duran also fought way superior opponents than the ones KT has on his resume.

[SweetScience]

What do I get out of posting Top 100 P4P all time? Flaming?

[Deejay]

Tszyu is already an all-time great at 140. I'd rate him 3rd behind Pryor & Chavez too. He hasn't finished yet either. If he sticks around, beats everyone at 140 and moves up to 147 and beats dlh and mosely, I would put him in my top 10 pound4pound all-time.

Won't happen cos of network bull**** though but I can always dream!!

[scramwarrior]

What do I get out of posting Top 100 P4P all time? Flaming?

He was just calling you on your smartass post about how you wouldn't put KT in your top 100 you flaming idiot. You probably can't even list 100 welterweights and your talking trash. Get the point?

[SweetScience]

He was just calling you on your smartass post about how you wouldn't put KT in your top 100 you flaming idiot. You probably can't even list 100 welterweights and your talking trash. Get the point?

LOL @ idoit! How am I talking trash? Lucky me I have this list sitting on my computer.LOL

All of these fighters are better then Tszyu and DLH P4P. Flame away!!!

1 Sugar Ray Robinson
2 Henry Armstrong
3 Roberto Duran
4 Muhammad Ali
5 Ezzard Charles
6 Joe Louis
7 Eder Jofre
8 Carlos Monzon
9 Harry Greb
10 Ray Leonard
11 Willie Pep
12 Sam Langford
13 Archie Moore
14 Marvin Hagler
15 Benny Leonard
16 Alexis Arguello
17 Gene Tunney
18 Pernell Whitaker
19 Julio Cesar Chavez
20 Salvador Sanchez
21 Sandy Saddler
22 Emile Griffith
23 Roy Jones Jr
24 Jose Napoles
25 Jimmy Wilde
26 Jack Johnson
27 Thomas Hearns
28 Michael Spinks
29 Bob Foster
30 Fighting Harada
31 Mickey Walker
32 Aaron Pryor
33 Rocky Marciano
34 Ike Williams
35 Tony Canzoneri
36 Kid Gavilan
37 Larry Holmes
38 Bob Fitzsimmons
39 Wilfredo Gomez
40 Carlos Zarate
41 Evander Holyfield
42 Miguel Canto
43 Jack Dempsey
44 Billy Conn
45 Luis Rodriguez
46 Wilfred Benitez
47 Ruben Olivares
48 Marcel Cerdan
49 Charley Burley
50 George Foreman
51 Stanley Ketchel
52 Gene Fullmer
53 Joe Frazier
54 Pascual Perez
55 Ricardo Lopez
56 Tiger Flowers
57 Joe Gans
58 Kid Choclate
59 Azumah Nelson
60 Jimmy McClarnin
61 Antonio Cervantes
62 Sonny Liston
63 Terry McGovern
64 Eusebio Pedroza
65 Mike McCallum
66 **** Tiger
67 Tony Zale
68 Beau Jack
69 Joe Walcott
70 Carlos Ortiz
71 George Dixon
72 Jung-Koo Chang
73 Jeff Fenech
74 Tommy Loughran
75 Manuel Ortiz
76 Jake LaMotta
77 Nino Benvenuti
78 Vicente Salvidar
79 Panama Al Brown
80 Floyd Patterson
81 Abe Attell
82 Jeff Chandler
83 Philidelphia Jack O'Brien
84 Georges Carpentier
85 Khaosai Galaxy
86 Pancho Villa
87 Estaban DeJesus
88 Harold Johnson
89 Maxie Rosembloom
90 Lennox Lewis
91 Les Darcy
92 Frankie Genaro
93 Mike Tyson
94 Nicolino Locche
95 Benny Lynch
96 Jack Britton
97 Mark Johnson
98 Ken Buchanan
99 Jersey Joe Walcott
100 Felix Trinidad

OWNED!!!!1111

[elveiel]

LOL @ idoit! How am I talking trash? Lucky me I have this list sitting on my computer.LOL

All of these fighters are better then Tszyu and DLH P4P. Flame away!!!

That guy asked for 100 welterweights.

[Nautilus]

LOL @ idoit! How am I talking trash? Lucky me I have this list sitting on my computer.LOL

All of these fighters are better then Tszyu and DLH P4P. Flame away!!!

1 Sugar Ray Robinson
2 Henry Armstrong
3 Roberto Duran
4 Muhammad Ali
5 Ezzard Charles
6 Joe Louis
7 Eder Jofre
8 Carlos Monzon
9 Harry Greb
10 Ray Leonard
11 Willie Pep
12 Sam Langford
13 Archie Moore
14 Marvin Hagler
15 Benny Leonard
16 Alexis Arguello
17 Gene Tunney
18 Pernell Whitaker
19 Julio Cesar Chavez
20 Salvador Sanchez
21 Sandy Saddler
22 Emile Griffith
23 Roy Jones Jr
24 Jose Napoles
25 Jimmy Wilde
26 Jack Johnson
27 Thomas Hearns
28 Michael Spinks
29 Bob Foster
30 Fighting Harada
31 Mickey Walker
32 Aaron Pryor
33 Rocky Marciano
34 Ike Williams
35 Tony Canzoneri
36 Kid Gavilan
37 Larry Holmes
38 Bob Fitzsimmons
39 Wilfredo Gomez
40 Carlos Zarate
41 Evander Holyfield
42 Miguel Canto
43 Jack Dempsey
44 Billy Conn
45 Luis Rodriguez
46 Wilfred Benitez
47 Ruben Olivares
48 Marcel Cerdan
49 Charley Burley
50 George Foreman
51 Stanley Ketchel
52 Gene Fullmer
53 Joe Frazier
54 Pascual Perez
55 Ricardo Lopez
56 Tiger Flowers
57 Joe Gans
58 Kid Choclate
59 Azumah Nelson
60 Jimmy McClarnin
61 Antonio Cervantes
62 Sonny Liston
63 Terry McGovern
64 Eusebio Pedroza
65 Mike McCallum
66 **** Tiger
67 Tony Zale
68 Beau Jack
69 Joe Walcott
70 Carlos Ortiz
71 George Dixon
72 Jung-Koo Chang
73 Jeff Fenech
74 Tommy Loughran
75 Manuel Ortiz
76 Jake LaMotta
77 Nino Benvenuti
78 Vicente Salvidar
79 Panama Al Brown
80 Floyd Patterson
81 Abe Attell
82 Jeff Chandler
83 Philidelphia Jack O'Brien
84 Georges Carpentier
85 Khaosai Galaxy
86 Pancho Villa
87 Estaban DeJesus
88 Harold Johnson
89 Maxie Rosembloom
90 Lennox Lewis
91 Les Darcy
92 Frankie Genaro
93 Mike Tyson
94 Nicolino Locche
95 Benny Lynch
96 Jack Britton
97 Mark Johnson
98 Ken Buchanan
99 Jersey Joe Walcott
100 Felix Trinidad

I think Tzyu's name should be substantially higher than RJJ's in this list. It should be near Chavez.



You are biased and opinionated, just like the dude in your avatar.

[SweetScience]

I think Tzyu's name should be substantially higher than RJJ's in this list. It should be near Chavez

Can you explain why?