Comments Thread For: Vitali: Haye is Too Light, He's Not a Real Heavyweight

[tomatocantender]

Haye is the same size Ali was in his prime.I didn't hear all this talk about Ali being to light.The problem is these heavyweights today are to big Haye is the perfect size heavyweight.

If you're gonna place Haye in the same sentence with Clay/Ali to prove your point, ostensibly about their respective weights hitting the scale, then you should at least qualify the statement as such: "But having said that, in no way am I saying that Haye has the boxing IQ, footwork, fluidity, beard/resistance, heart, stamina, ability to circle away from the counter, every jab in the book, hand speed, accuracy, and professionalism of Ali."

And then you should provide one final comment that reads like this, "In fact gentlemen please discard my direct and indirect parallels on Haye to Ali. I have no clue as to what I was talking about as I'm just so excited to finally have a heavyweight fight worth watching tomorrow, that I foolishly included Haye's name in the same breath as Ali. Therefore boxing diehards, gods and historians, I'm sorry for talking out of my arse."

Feel free to copy & paste the above disclosure next time you feel the urge to place David and Muhammad in the same post.

[Guest]

Wladimir voice:

I see Deved Hey, with shirt, and cut head of my brother. This, is beyond sport, this, is over the edge. Trust me, this guy gonnna be punished.

The robot's going to terminate the WBA command of Haye with extreme prejudice.


Tomorrow is Apocalypse now for Haye.

[Money Shot]

Vitali is correct that Haye is really a cruiserweight. All this crap about how he struggled to make 200lbs, utter nonsense when he comes in at 213lb without having to make weight at all. But the main point is he won't have the power to put Wlad on the back foot and won't have the resistance to take the shots coming at him. Iron Mike is right, although I'd say 5-7 round TKO, but he's going to be dominated.

[mathed]

But the older Klitschko admits Wladimir will have his hands full against Haye.

"It will not be an easy fight," he added. "It will be a very interesting fight. Nobody in the world, no expert can predict the heavyweight division where every punch can make a decision."

[D4thincarnation]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=491446

Hey!

Stop ripping off my posts.

Once you get over 15 stone the extra weight makes less of a difference in the power stakes and an increasing difference in speed.

The great heavyweights were around Haye's weight.

Haye has also come in this light for a reason.

He is going for movement and speed, make Wlad miss and counter.

Haye will not stand infront of Wlad so he can land the jab and the straight right. He is going to constantly move, keeping Wlad of balance.

[TheKza]

Wladimir looks like he's upset badley very very emotional haye looks seriously Evil the world is going to sit back and watch a master class .

Haye looks psycho. Good sign.

[♠ĞЯ8ЯH8Я©]

just tell vit to worry about the dumb polak midget he has to squash

[b0ndsj0ns20]

What would Haye gain by being 225 or 230? He's always going to be the considerably smaller fighter. He needs to just be trim, in shape, and fast. Adding wasted bulk doesn't make you a bigger puncher, it makes you slower and hurts your mobility and stamina.

[Tobi.G]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=491446

Hey!

Stop ripping off my posts.

Once you get over 15 stone the extra weight makes less of a difference in the power stakes and an increasing difference in speed.

The great heavyweights were around Haye's weight.

Haye has also come in this light for a reason.

He is going for movement and speed, make Wlad miss and counter.

Haye will not stand infront of Wlad so he can land the jab and the straight right. He is going to constantly move, keeping Wlad of balance.

We live in another age now. Today 213 is verry light for a heavyweight today.
You have to be verry good, Haye is good but is he good enough? it takes a verry good 213 pound man to beat a good 242 pound man.

[vacon04]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=491446

Hey!

Stop ripping off my posts.

Once you get over 15 stone the extra weight makes less of a difference in the power stakes and an increasing difference in speed.

The great heavyweights were around Haye's weight.

Haye has also come in this light for a reason.

He is going for movement and speed, make Wlad miss and counter.

Haye will not stand infront of Wlad so he can land the jab and the straight right. He is going to constantly move, keeping Wlad of balance.

I have to disagree, especially in this fight between Wlad and Haye. Wlad is 242, Haye is 213, but I can tell you that Wlad has a lot more power than Haye. Lennox was also a very tall heavy guy who had massive power, and it was also because of his mass that he was so strong. When a guy is capable of being so athletic such as Wlad, he's also capable of moving mass in an efficent way, therefore creating a huge power output. Of course there's a limit in which being so heavy won't help at all, but in Wladimir's case, he has an advantage at 242 because he IS capable of using all that muscle mass in an efficient way. Also, since he's in such a good shape, he's not that slow, in fact if you've seen Wlad's past training videos, the guy is pretty fast.

About the fact that the great HW were the same size as Haye, well yeah that's true, but those were other times. In the past most guys were 215 or maybe 220 but that was the max weight they could handle before becoming fat guys. Nowadays, sports cience and technology has made boxers capable of getting up to 245 pounds such as Wlad, while staying lean and powerful at the same time. In past times, great HWs that were 215 didn't have to face huge 245 lean strong boxers, in fact when they faced boxers who were 245, those were fat because it was juts impossible to be 245 and lean at the same time. Cience has made boxers bigger and stronger.