Has anyone ever thought that maybe Margarito has been cheating his whole career?

[edgarg]

Anyone think Roy Jones was cheating his whole career?

Notice how Roy started to become crap and lose once Balco was busted? Jones was always an unorthodox fighter who relied on his athletic abilities, and we already know he tested positive for steroids but was never ONCE punished.

Jones was not wittingly cheating. He was using a thing called RIPPED FUEL which was sold over the counter. And the consensus at that time was that any over the counter item was legal. It was found to contain a single banned substance> His opponent was also found to be using a banned substance in the same fight. so it was more or less "let go".

This happened more than FOUR years before he lost to Tarver, duting which he was still his usual brilliant self. So not usng it had NO effect on him. Unless you can conjure up some other complaint.

[King Ju-Ju]

idk if he has been cheating his whole career but aint no way he just started cheating when he attempted to load up his wraps vs mosley. dude looked like super man vs the #1 welterweight in the world (cotto) beat the crap outta him and after that he feels the need to start cheating????? no way!!!!! its hard to say if he had been doing that his whole career but i know damn well he didnt just start when he was going up against shane.

[spyvsspy]

I absolutely agree with you. I've written about this at least a dozen times, but there are so many sub normal mental defectives on this site that it's impossible to reason with them. They should never be allowed to serve on a jury.

There was NO evidence that HE had done anything wrong. He was penalised because "the buck stopped with him". In fact, I read that the ruling stated that they were not accusing him of KNOWING, but of HAVING, and I believe that was the reason he was not BANNED FOR LIFE.

And in any case, the "crime" was not serious enough for such a penalty, since it was only of having a USED cotton gauze pad instead of a NEW one. The othe "evidence" was that there were TRACES of 2 components which are found in plaster-of-paris. BUT....the statement further said that these components are also found in MANY other manufactured items, PRINCIPALLY........... COSMETICS.

I immediately thought of a form of absorbent powder, not neccessarily talcum powder.

AND IT WAS ONLY TRACES............In other words a sprinkling of powder.

The whole thing was a fraud, on an innocent man, whose trainer said the he alone was at fault.

Hey azzhole, if he had cosmetic powder over an old gauze why was he banned for a year and his trainer for life? Why didn't his Capetillo furiously defend himself stating it was only lotion over old gauze? Do you think that if I was being accused of something that I didn't do I would just take the punishment? STFU about Marg never cheating...I bet you are mexican and that is the only reason you defend him. Me, I could care less if Cotto lost to Marg but when I found that Marg had illegal wraps that is when the bashing started. I say **** Marg and any other malicious cheater in any sport. Marg was going to risk the life of Mosley in that fight and for that he should've been thrown in jail.

[Mr. Fantastic]

idk if he has been cheating his whole career but aint no way he just started cheating when he attempted to load up his wraps vs mosley. dude looked like super man vs the #1 welterweight in the world (cotto) beat the crap outta him and after that he feels the need to start cheating????? no way!!!!! its hard to say if he had been doing that his whole career but i know damn well he didnt just start when he was going up against shane.

Dude looked like super man?

Looking like superman would of been like a shut out against Cotto but that wasn't the case, it was close in Marg's favor when the knock out came.

Tell me does this face look like Superman to you? It looks like he went through war for that victory.

[Boxingtech718v2]

Cheaters get zero credit from me whether they were on steroids are using plaster.

[King Ju-Ju]

Dude looked like super man?

Looking like superman would of been like a shut out against Cotto but that wasn't the case, it was close in Marg's favor when the knock out came.

Tell me does this face look like Superman to you? It looks like he went through war for that victory.

it was a war. im not saying it was a shut out or a blow out. dude just took everything cotto gave him and was landing some hard, thudding blows. then vs mosley he was getting wobbled, his punches had no sting and got ko'd in whipe out.

[Eaner0919]

I doubt he loaded up for Mosley ONLY, I know he did for Cotto, Clottey and Williams. It would just make sense.

that's ******

so you know he did it for three guys listed yet two of them weren't stopped?

[Mr. Fantastic]

it was a war. im not saying it was a shut out or a blow out. dude just took everything cotto gave him and was landing some hard, thudding blows. then vs mosley he was getting wobbled, his punches had no sting and got ko'd in whipe out.

Because those two fights were under different circumstances. Not hard to see man. Look at how he was mentally in both fights. He just wasn't there. I'm not taking anything from Mosley, he executed his game plan well, but if you saw Margarito fight more than a couple of times, you can tell.

Also look at the fact that both have different styles.

[Eaner0919]

Except that, according to many theorists, he began "loading" after the loss to Williams, when he was at last chance saloon and supposedly knew another loss would send him off to journeyman status.



So the Lujan fight can also serve as a good reference of Tony's ability to cause damage and disfiguration with his hands naturally (even while lacking concussive power), reaching back to way before he beat down Cotto, depending on which theory you're going by.



But if he was "loading" all along, when exactly was it he began the practice? Literally from bout #1 to the night of bout #44?



Or are we now backtracking and saying that the "loading" only came in following his technical loss to Santos, just from the Lujan fight on?



Nobody seemes to have a very compelling theory as to when 'it' began; my theory on the issue of Tony's ability to bust faces up is that mileage varies with different opponents, who may take different shots more in different areas, or defend from certain shots to differing levels of success, or take them with varying degrees of physical resilience.



If "plaster" was a factor all that time, though, from the mid 90's to the late 00's, or even from '05 to '08, Im pretty sure we would've seen more, and possibly quite worse, disfigurements and consequences from the many blows Tony was landing on opponents.



No doubt something 'foreign' was initially in his wraps on the night he fought Mosley, something that technically shouldn't have been there, but the matter of its intended offense and/or the extent of its potential for damage was quite possibly overblown for whatever bureaucratic reason.




I can only conclude it wildly unfair and unreasonable to throw out Tony's entire, hard-fought career on zero compelling evidence of any long-running nefarious campaign.

add to that that only Clottey Williams and Danny Perez were the only men at welterweight not to be stopped by Tony before he met Shane since 1998 and I think no one can clearly state an actual fight they think he "started"

people speculating that it started after he couldn't stop PWill how do you explain the stoppages beforehand?

[SpitBalla]

Jones was not wittingly cheating. He was using a thing called RIPPED FUEL which was sold over the counter. And the consensus at that time was that any over the counter item was legal. It was found to contain a single banned substance> His opponent was also found to be using a banned substance in the same fight. so it was more or less "let go".

This happened more than FOUR years before he lost to Tarver, duting which he was still his usual brilliant self. So not usng it had NO effect on him. Unless you can conjure up some other complaint.

What ***? Are you serious? First of all Roy jones tested positive for anabolic steroids, that is pure cheating. They don't put that in ripped fuel!

And secondly, Roy looked terrible against Tarver. As Joe Clazaghe said " he looked human for the first time.". Roy got the decision, but he looked far from his old self. And this right after Balco, similar to how Mosley looked hortible after Balco.

I think people are in denial, he tested positive for anabolic steroids and ppl say it was ripped fuel? That's idiotic. Ripped fuel DOES NOT contain steroids, especially since anabolic steroids ARE ILLEGAL.

Roy was a cheat. Stop being deluded.