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  • Rome-By-Ko
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    #111
    Originally posted by F l i c k e r
    Ortiz is taking a risk fight right now; Mayweather. Khan is taking a risk fight right now; Judah.

    Now, this great Bradley your talking about. Where is his risk taking fight in his highly touted record? holt? peterson? To me it looks like he is undefeated by record padding.
    If anyone has padding their rec it's Khan and Ortiz..Ortiz fight May is not about risk my man it's about money..Khan fighting Judah is a risk..I'll give it to Khan he has took risk in his last two out of three fights..But you sit there and say Bradley has taken no risk when Bradley has beat three undefeated fighters and four world Champions..Makes sense??

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      #112
      Originally posted by Phenom
      I'm just talking about the quality of opposition Ortiz is a much better fighter and a bigger name then those guys and the "senior citizen tour" was just adding big names to Ortiz resume while waiting for a shot at a belt. no one was giving Ortiz a shot even Marcos Maidana didn't want to chance losing his #1 contender spot for a rematch with Ortiz
      I'm curious as to why Khan or Bradley had to give him a shot? What did he do to get the opportunity? Before you try to compare with other opponents. Lets look at time frames.

      Maidana not giving him a shot has nothing to do with Khan or Bradley.

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      • AllEyesOpen
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        #113
        At ww, I gotta give the edge to to Ortiz over Bradley based on their fights. Not a knock on Bradley, cause he's a small guy.

        Khan is a much closer match but i gotta give a slight edge to Ortiz as well for 2 reasons;

        1. Ortiz has proven he can be a big ww, Khan is a question mark.

        2. Ortiz has the power and speed to get in on Khan and Khan still hasn't been hit hard with a shot he didn't see coming.

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          #114
          Originally posted by romebyko
          If anyone has padding their rec it's Khan and Ortiz..Ortiz fight May is not about risk my man it's about money..Khan fighting Judah is a risk..I'll give it to Khan he has took risk in his last two out of three fights..But I you sit there and say Bradley has taken no risk when Bradley has beat three undefeated fighters and four world Champions..Makes sense??
          They aren't great. They are good but not great opponents. No one runs around talking about how great Junior Witter is. Holt is reduced to FNF cards. No one talks about how lethal peterson is.

          Bradley has had some decent opponents but nothing special. Those fights are like Pacquiao beating David Diaz. Yeah, you have a belt but it's nothing worth hanging your hat on. Bradley could have tried to get at Hatton before Pacquiao got his hands on him. Something, but he got nothing. Reduced to fighting guys who are nothing but belt holders.

          Ortiz is taking a big risk. Why? Because, unless Floyd takes it easy on him (ie: JMM) then Ortiz is going to look absolutely terrible. So terrible, it could reduce him to Baldomir status.

          Khan is risking being knocked out badly. When Zab knocks people out, he starches them. At this point, if Khan loss to Zab let alone by knock out. There is no recovery from that. No amount of managing can cure losing to Zab Judah.

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          • KnockUTheFukOut
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            #115
            I think Bradley would UD Ortiz

            Khan vs Ortiz...I don't know...Ortiz probably could overpower him but with Ortiz not having much defense and almost NO HEAD MOVEMENT, Khan probably would be able to land those COMBOS TO THE HEAD ALL NIGHT AND STICK AND MOVE

            I personally don't think he is better then either fighter...I guess you can say he is at 147...RIGHT NOW but at 140 I think both would have probably beat him

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            • Rome-By-Ko
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              #116
              Originally posted by F l i c k e r
              They aren't great. They are good but not great opponents. No one runs around talking about how great Junior Witter is. Holt is reduced to FNF cards. No one talks about how lethal peterson is.

              Bradley has had some decent opponents but nothing special. Those fights are like Pacquiao beating David Diaz. Yeah, you have a belt but it's nothing worth hanging your hat on. Bradley could have tried to get at Hatton before Pacquiao got his hands on him. Something, but he got nothing. Reduced to fighting guys who are nothing but belt holders.

              Ortiz is taking a big risk. Why? Because, unless Floyd takes it easy on him (ie: JMM) then Ortiz is going to look absolutely terrible. So terrible, it could reduce him to Baldomir status.

              Khan is risking being knocked out badly. When Zab knocks people out, he starches them. At this point, if Khan loss to Zab let alone by knock out. There is no recovery from that. No amount of managing can cure losing to Zab Judah.
              I agree with ya point about Khan,hell I gave Khan credit in my last post..Once again who cares if Ortiz gets dominated by Floyd??It's what's suppose to happen anyway..But Ortiz will be 5 mill richer at the end of the day..Not to much of a risk if ya ask me..

              Bradley has taken risk bro,Witter was avoided when Bradley fought him,Hatton avoided Witter for yrs..You must not know time lines bro Bradley wanted to fight Hatton and Hatton chose to fight Paulie M..Then he fought Pac,Hatton was not going to fight Bradley ever..Like I said Bradley has three undefeated fighters on his resume and four Champions,those are facts..You can not say the man took no risk without making ya self sound a bit foolish...

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                #117
                Originally posted by DempseyRollin
                ppl quit this bradley/khan ****riding. theres nothing that suggests that they are better fighters than floyd at 147. i guarantee u if he would have fought them at ww, ppl would be complaining about it. they would have said floyd was picking on smaller men. u guys are just whining because u dont like the guy. its that simple. when floyd foought ricky hatton, undefeated, lineal/ring 140 champ at 147 he was picking on a smaller guy because ricky wasnt suited to fight at 147 all of a sudden. now ur saying its ok??? wtf?
                Actually the ****riding of Ortiz is what needs to stop.

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                • boxaholic
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                  #118
                  Ortiz at 140 is a good boxer but at 147 Ortiz is really good. Ortiz at 147 is better than Bradley at 147. Khan hasn't fought at 147 yet so I don't know.

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                    #119
                    Originally posted by romebyko
                    I agree with ya point about Khan,hell I gave Khan credit in my last post..Once again who cares if Ortiz gets dominated by Floyd??It's what's suppose to happen anyway..But Ortiz will be 5 mill richer at the end of the day..Not to much of a risk if ya ask me..

                    Bradley has taken risk bro,Witter was avoided when Bradley fought him,Hatton avoided Witter for yrs..You must not know time lines bro Bradley wanted to fight Hatton and Hatton chose to fight Paulie M..Then he fought Pac,Hatton was not going to fight Bradley ever..Like I said Bradley has three undefeated fighters on his resume and four Champions,those are facts..You can not say the man took no risk without making ya self sound a bit foolish...
                    I mean big risks. Career defining risks. But like i said, if that is because a depleted weight class, then i dunno.

                    Mayweather took on a 33-0 juggernaut in Corrales. Pacquiao took on mexico's legendary 3. PWill took on Martinez rematch. Hatton took on Mayweather. Ortiz is taking on Mayweather. Hopkins took on Tito. I can go on and on.

                    These are big risks fights. They define careers in one way or another. If you lose, your career is screwed. If you win, your above the world. Bradley doesn't have a fight like these. I didn't know about the Hatton thing but Bradley's potential big risk fight would/could have been Hatton. But it didn't happen and now he has a career built on good guys and with his performance against Alexander, it just makes him look lesser than what we thought he really was.
                    Last edited by F l i c k e r; 06-25-2011, 05:07 PM.

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                      #120
                      People need to stop kidding themselves.

                      Floyd dominates Khan, Bradley and Ortiz with ease. Wth is going on on this site?

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