Just saw Mayweather-Castillo I for the First Time...

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I felt Castillo pressed the action, landed the more effective shots and had Mayweather on the ropes more than we are used to seeing.

Interesting point. Its clear Castillo performed better than anyone ever had against Mayweather. But being the best loser doesn't make you a winner. I thought floyd won but the scorecard was too wide.

So you are putting words in my mouth? I never said Castillo was the best loser, I thought he won. He did what I posted and like I said, people seem to ignore the QUALITY of punches in the fight.

It's like the recent Chavez Jr vs Zbik fight, totally different type of fight but people thought Zbik got robbed because he out landed Chaves Jr but you also need to take a look at QUALITY of shots landed.

I thought Castillo won a close fight and then was easily beaten in the rematch and that shows Mayweather's ability to adjust, one of his best qualities as a fighter.

[The Big Dunn]

So you are putting words in my mouth? I never said Castillo was the best loser, I thought he won. He did what I posted and like I said, people seem to ignore the QUALITY of punches in the fight.

It's like the recent Chavez Jr vs Zbik fight, totally different type of fight but people thought Zbik got robbed because he out landed Chaves Jr but you also need to take a look at QUALITY of shots landed.

I thought Castillo won a close fight and then was easily beaten in the rematch and that shows Mayweather's ability to adjust, one of his best qualities as a fighter.

NOt putting words in your mouth I actually agree with the points you made I just saw the outcome differently. Especially cconsidering floyd broke his hand midway thru the fight. I think that is why the quality of his shots weren't as good, he was clearly protecting his hand.

IMO, Castillo's performance was unexpected. But I thought he lost the 1st fight. I thought the Judges scored it a lil high.

[bojangles1987]

The body work Castillo displayed in this fight seemingly goes unnoticed. I thought he dominated the middle rounds and won the fight because of it.

[bojangles1987]

Fight was close but it was in no way a robbery..... I scored it a draw first time I saw it then watched it again without the sound on (no commentary and crowd influence) and had Mayweather up 7 rounds. You'd be surprise how much the commentary affects your perception of the fight particularly the HBO team . Doesn't matter though Mayweather beat him convincingly in the 2nd fight.

It's considered by some a robbery because of Mayweather getting the nod by such wide margins. There's no way he won that fight by 4 or 5 points, that's indisputable. Castillo got no respect from the judges.

[The Big Dunn]

It's considered by some a robbery because of Mayweather getting the nod by such wide margins. There's no way he won that fight by 4 or 5 points, that's indisputable. Castillo got no respect from the judges.

I agree. The wide score for me was an issue but not who won the fight. Floyd had to fight more of a Castillo style fight to edge out a win late.

[Walt Liquor]

it wasn't a robbery,

I had castillo winning by landing much more effective punches and bombing floyd's body..but I have no problem with a scorecard from floyd by one round, to a draw, or to castillo by one round. anything else is pretty much a joke

i had floyd winning the rematch by a wide margin.

[Convicted_Felon]

Only the haters will look at that fight and say 'Floyd lost'. It was a tough fight where we saw a lot of leather landing on Floyd, but the ring generalship, the accurate punching, and the defensive counter shots carried the fight for Floyd. Quite simply put, he took a rematch right away and removed all doubt.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Ok, so I'm not busy at work and I watched the fight again since it's been a long time since I have seen it and this is the way I scored it.

Round Castillo Mayweather
1 9 10
2 9 10
3 10 9
4 10 9
5 9 10
6 10 9
7 10 9
8 9 9 <-----pt ded for Castillo
9 10 10
10 10 8 <-----pt ded mayweather
11 9 10
12 10 9
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115 111


I thought both pt deductions were BS, the ref did a terrible job and was too involved. Both fighters were fighting a little rough in there but not so much it should have been a pt deduction.

Also, Mayweather gives ZERO props to anyone he fights, not one good thing to say about Castillo and of course the rotator cuff came as an excuse. I always laugh when fighters say "I don't give excuses" then go on to immediately mention the excuse...hahaha

The judges had it 115 - 11, 115 - 11 and 116 - 111 for Mayweather? Good God what where they watching. All the commentators and Letterman had Castillo winning the fight. Mayweather got a home town decision.

Mayweather has excellent defense but in reality after the 8th, he really wasn't throwing anything with effectiveness on Castillo. He was in running mode and other than a few shots here and there, he was holding, hitting, running and not being very effective with anything.

I will admit Castillo was missing a lot but at least he was pushing the fight and forcing Mayweather to fight more than he wanted to.

I wouldn't say complete robbery but I saw Castillo carry this fight to a UD win.

[The Big Dunn]

Ok, so I'm not busy at work and I watched the fight again since it's been a long time since I have seen it and this is the way I scored it.

Round Castillo Mayweather
1 9 10
2 9 10
3 10 9
4 10 9
5 9 10
6 10 9
7 10 9
8 9 9 <-----pt ded for Castillo
9 10 10
10 10 8 <-----pt ded mayweather
11 9 10
12 10 9
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115 111


I thought both pt deductions were BS, the ref did a terrible job and was too involved. Both fighters were fighting a little rough in there but not so much it should have been a pt deduction.

Also, Mayweather gives ZERO props to anyone he fights, not one good thing to say about Castillo and of course the rotator cuff came as an excuse. I always laugh when fighters say "I don't give excuses" then go on to immediately mention the excuse...hahaha

The judges had it 115 - 11, 115 - 11 and 116 - 111 for Mayweather? Good God what where they watching. All the commentators and Letterman had Castillo winning the fight. Mayweather got a home town decision.

Mayweather has excellent defense but in reality after the 8th, he really wasn't throwing anything with effectiveness on Castillo. He was in running mode and other than a few shots here and there, he was holding, hitting, running and not being very effective with anything.

I will admit Castillo was missing a lot but at least he was pushing the fight and forcing Mayweather to fight more than he wanted to.

I wouldn't say complete robbery but I saw Castillo carry this fight to a UD win.

I will admit Castillo was missing a lot but at least he was pushing the fight and forcing Mayweather to fight more than he wanted to.

This is my whole point. Castillo was not landing many clean punches. Many were missed or were blocked. Castillo made floyd dig deep and fight a different way. Props to Castillo but IMO that is not winning the fight. Thats why I called him the "best loser".

[JoeDaWg]

I thought Mayweather pulled it out. I know I'm in the minority, but it definitely wasn't a robbery. I even think a draw would've been entirely fair. Here's my scorecard:

ROUND_____1__2__3__4__5__6__7__8__9__10__11__12__TOTAL
Mayweather_10_10_10_10_10_9__9__9__10__9___9___9___114
Castillo_____9__9__9__9__9__9_10_10__9___9__10__10___112


Notes:

- I did think Mayweather won the first 5 rounds by clean, effective punching while avoiding most of Castillo's pressure and shots. If you were to give any of these rounds to Castillo you might give him rd. 3, which was the closest but I still think Mayweather took it.

- Castillo got a point deducted in round 6, Mayweather got a point deducted in round 10.

- The ref (Drakulich) wasn't as bad as the announcers made him out to be. Thought both point deductions were valid enough, though he might've trying to make up for the 1st call with the 2nd.

- The official scorecards were too wide for Mayweather (Anek Hongtongkam 116-111, John Keane 115-111, Jerry Roth 115-111)

- Who does everyone think won round 10? I think it's by far the most important close round. It tipped my scorecard from a draw to a Mayweather win.

Floyd lost but it wasn't a robbery. The score cards just made it look terrible. If they would have had floyd winning by a point I doubt people would even bring it up much today. He did go right back and "avenge" the victory so props for that.