andre berto did one of the most basic things wrong against ortiz

[LA_2_Vegas]

it puts his right hand on the outside of bertos left which lets him parry easyer

good topic...aside from Berto being undertrained, rusty, and maybe intimidated a lil... you can see the strategy u mentioned right from the start of the fight. Ortiz was following the gameplan perfectly and did what you said, kept the foot outside was always on Berto's left side, constantly turning him. i mean, he was waay to berto's left side early. Helped to stay away from Berto's jab and he was always in position to land that short right hook Ortiz has. he might have the shortest right hook with power in boxing idk... its impressive

was different from the Ortiz that gets sqaured up and bunny hops in-and-out like he has done before, and did more later of as the fight wore on. Berto adjusted a bit too as Ortiz had lapses in strategy ...and he started to turn with Ortiz and land his right hand. he finally had victor getting squared up a bit and his jab started to land, but never consitently. a lot of this happened in the first 7-8rds, after that it got into diff pattern with the holding,clinchin in there. both started to get a lil disorganized down the stretch

anyway, if thats all Ortiz and his team can come up with against Floyd...its gonna be a field day for straight right hands and uppercuts IMO. floyd is so adept defensively and always adjusts, ortiz is going to look squared up if he doesnt give different looks

[sugersean15]

good topic...aside from Berto being undertrained, rusty, and maybe intimidated a lil... you can see the strategy u mentioned right from the start of the fight. Ortiz was following the gameplan perfectly and did what you said, kept the foot outside was always on Berto's left side, constantly turning him. i mean, he was waay to berto's left side early. Helped to stay away from Berto's jab and he was always in position to land that short right hook Ortiz has. he might have the shortest right hook with power in boxing idk... its impressive

was different from the Ortiz that gets sqaured up and bunny hops in-and-out like he has done before, and did more later of as the fight wore on. Berto adjusted a bit too as Ortiz had lapses in strategy ...and he started to turn with Ortiz and land his right hand. he finally had victor getting squared up a bit and his jab started to land, but never consitently. a lot of this happened in the first 7-8rds, after that it got into diff pattern with the holding,clinchin in there. both started to get a lil disorganized down the stretch

anyway, if thats all Ortiz and his team can come up with against Floyd...its gonna be a field day for straight right hands and uppercuts IMO. floyd is so adept defensively and always adjusts, ortiz is going to look squared up if he doesnt give different looks

you hit the naill on the head

[Medved]

What he did wrong was have no heart. What else to expect from Al Hymen fighter? Dudes get wined and dined and they think they are some mega superstars when they aint nobody. Look at Adrien Broner, just look at his twitter "im a superstar celebrity, why Kardashians dont talk to me?" "im the brokest celebrity ever"

He gets his fighters hyped so much that they actually think they are champs already when infact they have no fanbase and the only reason they on HBO is because Al-Hymen is extorting money from HBO on whatever dirt he has on them.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

good topic...aside from Berto being undertrained, rusty, and maybe intimidated a lil... you can see the strategy u mentioned right from the start of the fight. Ortiz was following the gameplan perfectly and did what you said, kept the foot outside was always on Berto's left side, constantly turning him. i mean, he was waay to berto's left side early. Helped to stay away from Berto's jab and he was always in position to land that short right hook Ortiz has. he might have the shortest right hook with power in boxing idk... its impressive

was different from the Ortiz that gets sqaured up and bunny hops in-and-out like he has done before, and did more later of as the fight wore on. Berto adjusted a bit too as Ortiz had lapses in strategy ...and he started to turn with Ortiz and land his right hand. he finally had victor getting squared up a bit and his jab started to land, but never consitently. a lot of this happened in the first 7-8rds, after that it got into diff pattern with the holding,clinchin in there. both started to get a lil disorganized down the stretch

anyway, if thats all Ortiz and his team can come up with against Floyd...its gonna be a field day for straight right hands and uppercuts IMO. floyd is so adept defensively and always adjusts, ortiz is going to look squared up if he doesnt give different looks

You made some good observations but I think the inside fighting against Berto was the biggest factor. I couldn't believe how much stronger and better inside Ortiz was than Berto.

As far as Mayweather, Ortiz will chase and Mayweather will look to land that right hand by putting pressure on the back foot and catching him coming in. Can Ortiz adapt? I don't think so but then again, I didn't give him a chance vs Berto.

[LA_2_Vegas]

What he did wrong was have no heart. What else to expect from Al Hymen fighter? Dudes get wined and dined and they think they are some mega superstars when they aint nobody. Look at Adrien Broner, just look at his twitter "im a superstar celebrity, why Kardashians dont talk to me?" "im the brokest celebrity ever"

He gets his fighters hyped so much that they actually think they are champs already when infact they have no fanbase and the only reason they on HBO is because Al-Hymen is extorting money from HBO on whatever dirt he has on them.

This may be true, except Berto was also a couple shots away from the TKO. It really was up to the ref at that point whether or not the fight would be stopped seconds before Ortiz put him down again.

Despite all that, if Ortiz wouldn't have followed the gameplan most of the fight like TS said - it would have been different....u could see when he started to slip off the plan, Berto had a lil success

[sugersean15]

berto should have known to keep his foot on the outside

[Uncle Freddie]

bertos problem is that he fights squared. plus, he always had stamina problems

[LA_2_Vegas]

You made some good observations but I think the inside fighting against Berto was the biggest factor. I couldn't believe how much stronger and better inside Ortiz was than Berto.

As far as Mayweather, Ortiz will chase and Mayweather will look to land that right hand by putting pressure on the back foot and catching him coming in. Can Ortiz adapt? I don't think so but then again, I didn't give him a chance vs Berto.

Yea, definitely ... I guess forgot to mention that he was way inside on berto too, on the left. no doubt youre right on that

and for the floyd fight, that is exactly what I see coming. rights and uppercuts off the backfoot or pivoting with ortiz into the same sort of shots

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Yea, definitely ... I guess forgot to mention that he was way inside on berto too, on the left. no doubt youre right on that

and for the floyd fight, that is exactly what I see coming. rights and uppercuts off the backfoot or pivoting with ortiz into the same sort of shots

Personally, I think that is the key if Ortiz has any chance of upsetting Floyd. He can't box from the outside, no matter what the strategy. He just isn't fast enough and is susceptible to those right hands.

He needs to fight on the inside even though Floyd is a great inside fighter as well but he needs to make this a rough and tough fight for Floyd.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Personally, I think that is the key if Ortiz has any chance of upsetting Floyd. He can't box from the outside, no matter what the strategy. He just isn't fast enough and is susceptible to those right hands.

He needs to fight on the inside even though Floyd is a great inside fighter as well but he needs to make this a rough and tough fight for Floyd.

he has to force and drag Floyd into a phonebooth war...if he doesn't, he gets picked apart from mid range and on the outside