do you give floyd credit for dominating jmm like no 1's ever done?

[IMDAZED]

I thought you started the "all over the place" thing with your pinoy lounge insult and "idiot" comments. Try to keep talking about the topic and not your one-liners and pinoy comments.......you are just gonna get owned again straying off topic. You are doing well when it comes to boxing topics. Just a suggestion.

Nah, I started with "It's a ****ty fight, just like the November fight."

Then you replied "if it's ****ty then it shouldn't sell."

I pointed out how sales oft times have nothing to do with quality, citing examples.

Then you inadvertently agreed.

[megadeth]

context is everything...

• CONTEXT 1 = floyd dominating #2 p4p as first fight after retirement: YES credit

• CONTEXT 2 = having a LW gain 20lbs in a training camp to a catchweight that floyd didnt even stick to (jmm losing speed & timing... essential for his counter-punching style): NO credit

Why would a lightweight (135lb) need to gain 20lbs to fight at 144?

so keeping things UNBIASED, i think it was a great display for floyd... it showcased his impeccable timing and ring IQ. a VERY solid win for floyd.

BUT... considering the circumstances, one CANNOT overlook the obvious handicap... at the announcement of the fight, EVERYONE knew it was going to be a mismatch (not a knock on jmm, but more on the reality of weightclasses).

so yeah, floyd gets credit but it shouldnt be exaggerated.... thats like giving pac too much credit for beating oscar.

Burt Sugar didn't seem to know. At least, until AFTER the fight was over. Before it, he thought it was a good matchup.

[Hamaru]

Taking into consideration that he was inactive before the fight, yes. The real question is the amount of credit to be given.

[Chups]

this is kind of insane, he didint get in because of one fight over a past prime leonard, as someone pointed out, it was the fact that he had already scored several solid defenses beforehand and maintained a steady career afterward.

its times like this when siliencers presence would be critical but im guessing he got tired of discussing two fighters exclusively

Here's the thing....there are a lot of fighters who has a lot of defenses who didn't get the HOF nod. So what will a boxing fan think? Could it be because of that 1 name in his resume. Like everybody is saying.......he did not deserve the HOF, he did ordinary things. You can't fault a fan for saying it.

Thanks for discussing this topic.............some posters are childish. They hurry up trying to outdo instead of just discussing. It's sad and childish.

[Chups]

Nah, I started with "It's a ****ty fight, just like the November fight."

Then you replied "if it's ****ty then it shouldn't sell."

I pointed out how sales oft times have nothing to do with quality, citing examples.

Then you inadvertently agreed.

It's ****ty for us, it's not ****ty for them <-----------------that is my point. There I summarized it for you.

[megadeth]

no, because a number of other Welterweights would have done the same thing or worse to Marquez. Imagine Cotto or Mosley vs Marquez at 147. ouch.

Marquez is just not legitimate or good welterweight. plain and simple.

Big difference between overpowering Marquez with size and power and totally outclassing him with skillz. So there are NOT a number of Welterweights that would've done the same thing.

[IronDanHamza]

Yeah it's a **** fight....but that's not the only reason why the fight was made. My point is that it makes business sense. If fronter who can't afford **** and laughs at those who can afford finds it ****ty then don't buy it. He can stop preaching that this is a **** fight coz it will not matter.

Well, yes the fight made business sense since it sold well.

But, obviously that doesn't enhance anyones legacy if the fight is unlegit just because it sold well.

I.e Tyson-Lewis.

[IMDAZED]

It's ****ty for us, it's not ****ty for them <-----------------that is my point. There I summarized it for you.

What did you think mine was? My God, you are one dumb ****. Just let it go, Chupa. BTW, do you know what chupa in spanish means? So apropos.

[Boxing Scene]

but he didn't............so it's a mute point.........NEXT!

Or a moot point. One of those.

[PAKYO]

What did you think mine was? My God, you are one dumb ****. Just let it go, Chupa. BTW, do you know what chupa in spanish means? So apropos.

You're an idiot if you think pinoys don't know what it means!