Andre Ward is top 10 P4P... But not Bute or Froch?

[ИATAS]

Given that Ward is ranked #9, that means Froch would have to be ranked #10 in order to get in. That would displace Hopkins. Froch vs. Hopkins right now is a hard one to call and you could argue for either, but I don't see how anyone could claim that Hopkins being #10 is a travesty. And if you accept that including Hopkins is reasonable then by definition, you must accept that excluding Froch is reasonable.

In any case, Froch vs. Ward is coming up soon, which will resolve who is better; so getting wound up about their relative rankings now is silly.

Froch vs Hopkins is very easy to predict - Hopkins by wide UD.

And you're right this will all be resolved soon after Ward beats Froch so it's really a moot point anyway.

[$tate of Mind]

Bute has done nothing to be placed on a top 10 P4P list. What is his best win Miranda, Andrade, etc.? Froch currently has a better resume than Ward and deserves to be on any P4P top 10 list.

[oaklandstephen]

its because Ward beats everyones as$ and no other reason besides this.

[Dave Rado]

Froch vs Hopkins is very easy to predict - Hopkins by wide UD.

And you're right this will all be resolved soon after Ward beats Froch so it's really a moot point anyway.

All fights are easy to predict if you're opinionated enough. They're much more difficult to predict accurately.

Froch beat Pascal by a fairly wide decision and has greatly improved since then. And in terms of resume over the past two years, Froch's resume walks all over Hopkins' resume. And the P4P lists are based as much on resume as they are on anything else.

[strykr619]

Its pretty ****** that my man Froch isn't in the top 10 PfP....

[Wes_Claypool]

I think Bute is way overrated.(Miranda & Andrade wins dont make you lb 4 lb)

Froch and Ward are P4P worthy and should be ranked higher. I think Kessler, Direll, Abraham , and Johnson are on Butes level.

Honestly, I wouldnt be mad at a Bute/Taylor fight.

[Dave Rado]

I think Bute is way overrated.(Miranda & Andrade wins dont make you lb 4 lb)

Froch and Ward are P4P worthy and should be ranked higher. I think Kessler, Direll, Abraham , and Johnson are on Butes level.

Honestly, I wouldnt be mad at a Bute/Taylor fight.

But is not in the P4P list - where did you get the idea that he is?

[$Bullsfam$]

Remember P4P is about how flashy you are or exciting but who you beat and how dominant you were. He's dominated EVERYBODY, he's undefeated and beat Kessler who outpointed Froch so that's why I have him ahead FOR NOW. When they fight it could definitely change of course with the outcome of the fight. Froch is the only one left he needs to beat and it should be a good solid scrap. It ain't a triangle theory it's just the simple fact Froch has lost, and Andre hasn't.

Bute though...please get real. Bute hasn't beaten nobody to even deserve top 2 super middleweight nevertheless even top 15 P4P. Barely top 20. Just because your undefeated don't mean ***** or Chavez Jr be #1.

[Dave Rado]

Its pretty ****** that my man Froch isn't in the top 10 PfP....

It's not ****** at all. Given that Ward is ranked #9, the highest place that Froch could seriously be expected to take is #10, which is currently held by Hopkins. All you're saying is that you think Froch is more deserving than Hopkins. That's a matter of opinion, and a lot of people would say that Hopkins is more deserving.

[F l i c k e r]

Bute's greatest wins are against the likes of Miranda and Andrade.

Froch will go high in the p4p if he beats Ward. He isn't up there because he loss to Kessler.

Ward is there because he is undefeated and has fought the best just like Froch has.