Antonio Margarito vs. Victor Ortiz - Who wins?

[The Big Dunn]

Yes he almost dropped Manny and had him in serious trouble. I was at the fight and saw in up close.

Also, Clottey has great power at WW. He had Tony hurt in their fight, so I don't get why you trying to imply that Clottey is featherfisted.

You need to watch more boxing instead of just following Floyd.

Would you feel the same about Ortiz if his opponent was Manny Pacquio?

[The MiZ]

^^^^^^^^ this ^^^^^^^^^

[DonairesRevenge]

He got beaten to a pulp vs Mosley and Manny. He stunk it up in the comeback. He couldn't knock out the comeback guy so I question the word "power". Stamina just because he took an a$$ whoopin from Manny? OK i'll give you that.

He was 3lb over the morning of weighing in against Mosley. Granted, Manny smashed him but thats Manny. His comeback fight he looked alright against a decent durable opponent after being off for over a year.

People say Margarito is shot, i ask them in what way. They can never answer. Fact is he still his chin, he still fights 12 rounds harder than anyone and he still has his strengh.

[TheTruth!]

Yes he almost dropped Manny and had him in serious trouble. I was at the fight and saw in up close.

Also, Clottey has great power at WW. He had Tony hurt in their fight, so I don't get why you trying to imply that Clottey is featherfisted.

You need to watch more boxing instead of just following Floyd.

The point is Margarito couldn't break an egg without his wraps. He bruised just about everyone's face he ever fought, except Mosley, Manny, and Garcia. Coincidence? LOL

Margarito is slow and has no power. Manny almost going down from a feather fisted Margarito is a testament just how weak his body might be. Manny admitted to being hurt badly by Marquez at the body, as well.

[The MiZ]

Margarito without his wraps has ZERO power. Ortiz would batter him.

^^^^^^ or even THIS ^^^^^^
i mean

[TheTruth!]

He was 3lb over the morning of weighing in against Mosley. Granted, Manny smashed him but thats Manny. His comeback fight he looked alright against a decent durable opponent after being off for over a year.

People say Margarito is shot, i ask them in what way. They can never answer. Fact is he still his chin, he still fights 12 rounds harder than anyone and he still has his strengh.

but his power is gone!

[Chopper417]

He was 3lb over the morning of weighing in against Mosley. Granted, Manny smashed him but thats Manny. His comeback fight he looked alright against a decent durable opponent after being off for over a year.

People say Margarito is shot, i ask them in what way. They can never answer. Fact is he still his chin, he still fights 12 rounds harder than anyone and he still has his strengh.

Doesn't matter if he's shot or not, he was never that good to begin with. Take away Cotto, who has Margs beaten?

[Khalid X]

Every single opponent Ortiz has faced has tasted the canvas. I don't think Ortiz is a great fighter, but to say this guy doesn't have power is just complete nonsense/ignorance.

never said he didn't have power.

Please re-read my thread as I stated that Mosley is the hardest hitting WW since Trinidad and Ortiz doesn't have that type of power.

Again, Ortiz power is not on the level of Mosley and Trinidad.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Listen bro, the only guy Margarito can "breakdown" without his plaster wraps is Paulie Malignaggi. He has zero power now and his "pressure" is useless. He was RUNNING from Roberto Garcia, a journeyman...

He dropped Garcia in the first round....lol and it was also his first fight back from a 2 year lay off.

Look, Marg has never had 1 punch KO power but he can hit, anyone who thinks that wraps will instantly give you mike tyson type power doesn't know anything about boxing.

Illegal wraps are about causing damage, not necessarily giving instant power. I'm not going to get into the wraps thing because it's been done to death but you are completely ignoring the fact he DID HURT MANNY TO THE BODY IN THE 6TH ROUND.

So did he have wraps then as well? Sparring partners talked about his power, do you think he was wearing illegal wraps against sparring partners? What would be the advatage of trying to hurt guys YOU ARE PAYING TO MAKE YOU BETTER? lol.....

Look man you aren't talking to one of these ****** little kids, make your point but don't come at me with this BS.

If you think he's feather fisted, try watching him hit the bag or mitts live and see and hear what it sounds like. Marg is strong....

[The Big Dunn]

He was 3lb over the morning of weighing in against Mosley. Granted, Manny smashed him but thats Manny. His comeback fight he looked alright against a decent durable opponent after being off for over a year.

People say Margarito is shot, i ask them in what way. They can never answer. Fact is he still his chin, he still fights 12 rounds harder than anyone and he still has his strengh.

Marg is shot in that since he got caught with his hands illegally wrapped he has been beaten to a bloddy pulp by both Mosley and Manny. He was not in shape against Mosley and had to work off lbs late. He didn't have to get down to 147 to fight either the comeback or manny. He would now have to get back down to 147, a weight he couldn't make 3 years ago. Does any of that mitigate your post?