Should Mayweather vs Ortiz be for the lineal WW championship?

[turkas]

to most rankings,(ring, espn, etc) Mayweather was dropped from them because of inactivity so unless he beats ortiz, he shouldnt be in the rankings at all if we go by their thinking........so #2 vs unranked doesnt = #1

Lineal doesn't mean #1 vs #2, that's the ring belt, it means the man who beat the man who beat the man, which Mayweather did when he beat Mosley.

[Mr. Philadel]

Only if you consider Mayweather never having lost the lineage since beating Baldomir for it.

Shane Mosley was not lineal champion when Floyd beat him

Mosley beat Marg who had beat Cotto...so Shane was the man when he fought Floyd

[IronDanHamza]

Mosley beat Marg who had beat Cotto...so Shane was the man when he fought Floyd

The problem is Paul Williams was #2 when Margarito beat Cotto.

So some people say that fight wasn't for the Lineage.

But, when they fought, Williams had a fight signed at 154 and never returned to WW.

So Cotto Vs Margarito were the best fighters at WW at the time eve though Williams offically was ranked #2 when they fought.

So it's a hard one with split opinions on the matter.

[turkas]

The problem is Paul Williams was #2 when Margarito beat Cotto.

So some people say that fight wasn't for the Lineage.

But, when they fought, Williams had a fight signed at 154 and never returned to WW.

So Cotto Vs Margarito were the best fighters at WW at the time eve though Williams offically was ranked #2 when they fought.

So it's a hard one with split opinions on the matter.

It doesn't matter who was #2 when they fought, Cotto was the Lineal champion and lost that to Margarito. #2 doesn't matter that fight wasn't for the ring belt.

[IronDanHamza]

It doesn't matter who was #2 when they fought, Cotto was the Lineal champion and lost that to Margarito. #2 doesn't matter that fight wasn't for the ring belt.

Cotto wasn't, and never has been the Lineal Champion.

Cotto and Margarito fought for the Lineage (according to some) because they were the 2 best fighters in the division.

Cotto was ranked #1 when he fought Margarito but has never, ever been a Lineal Champion.

[warp1432]

do you think mosley was the lineal champ before floyd fought him?

No because when Margarito Mosley was made, the fight wasn't viewed as a lineal title shot going in because Cotto beat Mosley.

And Paul Williams was still in the division in 08 when Cotto Margarito happened. The fight was in July and Williams had just blasted Quintana in June.

There's a difference between Lineal Champion and being the #1 contender in the division, the latter is what Shane Mosley was after he beat Margarito.

[IronDanHamza]

No because when Margarito Mosley was made, the fight wasn't viewed as a lineal title shot going in because Cotto beat Mosley.

Some viewed it as a Lineal title shot for Mosley because some viewed Margarito-Cotto for the Lineage so the fact Mosley lost to Cotto didn't matter.

[IronDanHamza]

No because when Margarito Mosley was made, the fight wasn't viewed as a lineal title shot going in because Cotto beat Mosley.

And Paul Williams was still in the division in 08 when Cotto Margarito happened. The fight was in July and Williams had just blasted Quintana in June.

There's a difference between Lineal Champion and being the #1 contender in the division, the latter is what Shane Mosley was after he beat Margarito.

He had a fight signed at 154 when Cotto fought Margarito and he never returned to the division ever again.

For this reason, alot of people view that fight as the Lineage.

Some don't.

[warp1432]

Some viewed it as a Lineal title shot for Mosley because some viewed Margarito-Cotto for the Lineage so the fact Mosley lost to Cotto didn't matter.

Margarito Cotto wasn't for the title. How could it be when the guy who had beat Margarito just had an impressive one round KO a month earlier? Paul Williams was the #2 guy in that division when Cotto was number 1. Margarito was 3.

There's really no speculation here imo. You don't get to fight in a lineal title fight when the guy sitting ahead of you already beat you. Same goes for Shane Mosley when he beat Margarito.

edit: And Paul Williams only went to a higher weight class for a tune up vs Andy Kolle. It was just a tune up. He still had every intention of fighting Margarito or even Shane Mosley.

He couldn't get a respectable opponent so he moved up and fought Verno Phillips.

[IronDanHamza]

Margarito Cotto wasn't for the title. How could it be when the guy who had beat Margarito just had an impressive one round KO a month earlier? Paul Williams was the #2 guy in that division when Cotto was number 1. Margarito was 3.

There's really no speculation here imo. You don't get to fight in a lineal title fight when the guy sitting ahead of you already beat you. Same goes for Shane Mosley when he beat Margarito.

edit: And Paul Williams only went to a higher weight class for a tune up vs Andy Kolle. It was just a tune up. He still had every intention of fighting Margarito or even Shane Mosley.

He couldn't get a respectable opponent so he moved up and fought Verno Phillips.

There's obviously speculation because things as big as CyberBoxing classed Mosley as the Lineal Champion.

The fact is, though, is that Margarito and Cotto were the best fighters in the division as Williams was set to leave the division regardless to if his intention was to return. He left, and never came back.

This is why there are people who make the claim.

But in all honesty, I don't really care.