Teddy Atlas wrong about Henry Armstrong, Manny Pacquiao is more impressive

[Manny#1ATG]

Personally I would say it was tougher to fight in Henry Armstrong's era than it is today...today's competition is tougher, but back then he had almost the entire crowd showing up hoping to see the "nigg3r" lose, he had mafia breathing down his neck about how fights should go, he had to live as a black man with money in his pocket in one of the most racially segregated societies on the planet.

It would take balls to be the Henry Armstrong or Jack Johnson of those days...no boxer today can even hold the jockstrap of what those guys faced.

[Manny#1ATG]

LOL @ "I don't live in the Philippines" WTF? You're an ignorant idiot.

You probably had internet in 2004 but I doubt you were watching boxing pre 2004.

pre 2004 you had RJJ fans saying how he was damn near unbeatable. Nobody could beat him in any era could beat him. You still get some of those knuclehead responses now. After he beat Ruiz his fan base were calling him a top 10 ATG.

Yes you so right sir, I start watching boxing cuz Floyd Mayweather he black like me, he best boxer ever...oh wait I'm white and I have been watching boxing my entire life =P. hanggang tae ka na lang.

[jrosales13]

Yes you so right sir, I start watching boxing cuz Floyd Mayweather he black like me, he best boxer ever...oh wait I'm white and I have been watching boxing my entire life =P. hanggang tae ka na lang.

1. It looks like you're waving the white flag.

2. It seems you're racist.

3. Apparently, are you insinuating I'm a Pinoy?



You're a terrible poster, with no knowledge of the sport. Don't care what side you're on, when you started watching the sport, what race you're. Nothing will change how idiotic you're and sounded in this thread. Good for you sir.

[ThunderWolf]

Nice to know some facts about the article, some posters didn`t even bother to read:

1. Armstrong relinquished the Featherweight title to concentrate on Lightweight and Welterweight. But he only defended the Lightweight title once. In his last 75 fights, 73 were at Welterweight, Armstrong only fought at Lightweight twice, both were against Lou Ambers. Once when he won the Lightweight title from Lou Ambers and the second when he lost the Lightweight title to the same man, Lou Ambers, almost exactly one year later. Therefore, he only held 2 titles simultaneously and lost one after a year.

2. What he fails to mention is Armstrong’s attempt to win the Middleweight title against Ceferino Garcia was set up as a 10 round championship fight. Only California recognized it as a World Middleweight Title fight. He got a draw when he fought Filipino fighter Ceferino Garcia for the Middleweight Title.

3. It was a common practice for Champions to use tomato cans to stay in shape between big fights in the olden days. These so called fights were nothing more than a sparring session that absurdly padded their win record. That is why the old fighters were fighting even twice a week. These sparring sessions were being sold to the public.

4. Sugar Ray Robinson fought long stretches against tomato cans. Henry Armstrong did the same. Sure Henry Armstrong easily defeated and KO’d the tomato cans, but lost or only decisioned against the opponents who had somewhat of a decent record. Now we know how olden days fighters like Sugar Ray Robinson and Henry Armstrong had over 100 fights. They recorded sparring sessions against tomato cans as wins. We also know that Henry Armstrong did not hold the Featherweight, Lightweight, and Welterweight titles while fighting for the Middleweight title.

5. Teddy Atlas needs to brush up on his knowledge of the olden days. He acts like he was actually there when Armstrong was fighting. His fellow American broadcasters also need to brush up on their boxing history and knowledge so they can correct the BS and ignorance that Atlas regularly regurgitates on ESPN.

Note that:

1. This was not even my article.

http://www.nowboxing.com/2011/05/teddy-atlas-wrong-about-henry-armstrong-manny-pacquiao-is-more-impressive/18358/

2. Nobody calls a living legend "Manny ****ing Pacquaio" and not be banned from these forums. It is part of the rules of respect in these forums, but these kinds of words are not even respect for a current ATG, whether top 5 or 100, still an ATG.

3. In my opinion, only 10% of Pacquiao fans are Filipinos (outside forums). The remaining 90% are "The Rest of the World", of different nationalities. Even writers such as these.

[hugh grant]

If youve got Duran a top 20 or even 10 ATG like some people have, you are not going to convince me Pac isnt higher than Duran.

The fact that people want Pac to fight Sergio as he as run out of competition seems to confirm this. People say but Duran was one of the greatest lightweights ever and ruled a division for so many years. Well Pac wants to rule the WW for a while but haters keep asking him to step up, or hes chicken like Floyd.

[Josh_Shing]

I never believe a word that comes out of Teddy Atlas's mouth. Period.

[IronDanHamza]

I hate it when people single out a fan base.

Tyson fan base was horrible. His die hards still are.

Roy fan base had him top 10 ATG after the Ruiz fight which was laughable.

Tito fan base was insane and delusional(I know cuz' I was one)

Floyd fan base believes he's the most skilled fighter of all time, could TKO Duran in 9 rounds at LW and blah blah blah.

Pac fans...Well look at the front page of NSB.

Point is every fan base has their idiots. To act like what the extremist Pac fans(*******s) are unique or the first idiotic fan base is plain ******ed.

I witnessed each and every one of those fanbases and the Chavez fanbase and I can say that the Pacquaio fan base is by far the most delusional I have ever come across in my life.

[IronDanHamza]

[Note that:

1. This was not even my article.

http://www.nowboxing.com/2011/05/teddy-atlas-wrong-about-henry-armstrong-manny-pacquiao-is-more-impressive/18358/

2. Nobody calls a living legend "Manny ****ing Pacquaio" and not be banned from these forums. It is part of the rules of respect in these forums, but these kinds of words are not even respect for a current ATG, whether top 5 or 100, still an ATG.

3. In my opinion, only 10% of Pacquiao fans are Filipinos (outside forums). The remaining 90% are "The Rest of the World", of different nationalities. Even writers such as these.

Wow.