Will Dawson request testing for Hopkins bout?

[The Gambler1981]

No Dawson would not be the same. All he needs to do is to have it included in the contract. As long as he doesn't make wild accusations without any proof it is NOT the same.

Floyd didn't do that until after things fell apart to my knowledge and if they came before then those were always going to be a huge roadblock.

They did take the whole mess public though which certainly made the problem much much bigger. I don't think Dawson would do that though he certainly doesn't seem like Floyd.

[edgarg]

And what standard is that? Oh, so Pot is ok since it's from a tree and is NOT designed to improve performance than recreation? This is OST (OLYMPIC STYLE TESTING) you are referring right? You obvious have a VERY DIFFERENT standard which all athletes should abide. It's YOUR standard not an OST standard.

I don't know anything about marijuana, but assuming that it causes a feeling of exhileration, then the fighter's attitude and actions would likely be altered.

[edgarg]

He will do whatever he feels he should do~

HBO will do whatever HBO wants, Hopkins isn't that big a deal to HBO he is not long for the sport. Sure they want to show his fights but only the fights they want to show and the only one they would want currently is Dawson~

Hopkins ain't going to be allowed to fight a nobody on HBO~ that isn't how it works Hopkins isn't an up and comer he is a known quantity so there is no value in showing him fight a nobody.

This conversation is astonishing to me in that you can calmly discuss the behaviour and attitude of HBO without ANY kind of criticism, and when Bob Arum attempts the same kind of behaviour, whether he actually does it or not, he is subjected to a storm of criticism in which racism plays a prominent part.

[The Gambler1981]

This conversation is astonishing to me in that you can calmly discuss the behaviour and attitude of HBO without ANY kind of criticism, and when Bob Arum attempts the same kind of behaviour, whether he actually does it or not, he is subjected to a storm of criticism in which racism plays a prominent part.

I don't buy into the criticism HBO get and feel that has been covered mightily anyways thanks to 20 or so Hauser articles.

Arum I feel gets much less heat and deserves more than HBO~

Plus I didn't want to get bogged down by that debate which is not really the matter at hand.

[edgarg]

Since Hopkins just had two recent fights against Pascal in Canada in front of sold out arena's i think Bernard would earn Bute more money than the super six winner.

You are dreaming. The reason that the fights sold out was because they were in Canada in a part of the country which has been experiencing a HUGE boxing revival for the past 10 years or so, and especially since they presently have a few very good fighters who hold titles. Anytime they have appeared, no matter who the opponents were, right through their careers until now, they have sold out the house.

Hopkins has absolutely nothing to do with it. If he had, this would be a FIRST for him, since he's Always been a drag on the box office, with absolutely NO crowd appeal. Regardless of his recent great win, no one in his right mind ever wanted to sit through 12 rounds of single sneak punches, clinches, rabbit punches, thumbs, regular butts and lacings, not to mention low hitting.

Add to this, a series of grimaces, holding his stomach pretending there was a low blow, and all time poor acting performances, you have, ladies and gentlemen, rolled up in a single human being (I think) the person of Bernard Hopkins.

He'll never win an Academy Award, although he tries hard.

[The Gambler1981]

Lol, I can't believe you are going to make it all the way through the thread.

[edgarg]

I have no issue with any fighter asking for it based on however they feel, that guy is in the real dangerous position and has every right to know the guy across from him is clean.

If they are straight on it then whatever, it is still a risk but if you don't care to know and are cool with it fine I am not the one in danger.

I absolutely agree with you. It's a boxer's privelege to ask for testing, and also his right to not ask for testing. The onlooker should have no interest or say in the matter, it being strictly a matter for the fighters themselves.

For us, it becomes merely an academic exercise.

[edgarg]

Floyd didn't do that until after things fell apart to my knowledge and if they came before then those were always going to be a huge roadblock.

They did take the whole mess public though which certainly made the problem much much bigger. I don't think Dawson would do that though he certainly doesn't seem like Floyd.

,No, very few people, if any, are like Mayweather, for which the public should be thankful. Although, strictly speaking there are many who are far worse, although they don't have the stage the way Mayweather has.

All the same my recollection (which may be wrong) is that they were ploughing through the various conditions, and everything looked on track, when suddenly Mayweather came up with the Olympic Standard Test as a MUST.

In my opinion it was this which caused the breakoff of the negotiations. His behaviour since seems to show that he really had no intention of fighting Manny P. but was in an exhilerated mood and wanted to take centre stage as the "righteous one".

[edgarg]

I don't buy into the criticism HBO get and feel that has been covered mightily anyways thanks to 20 or so Hauser articles.

Arum I feel gets much less heat and deserves more than HBO~

Plus I didn't want to get bogged down by that debate which is not really the matter at hand.

I can see that this is your opinion, and we differ on this matter. HBO is a company, and in Law "a company has no heart". And the description which has unfolded throughout this interesting discussion shows that Arum has far more feeling and is more sensitive to the public.

Just MY opinion.

[Eastbay Giant]

Bernard if requested during negotiations, should submit to WADA testing. Fighters have a right to want a PED free fight.