Is Teddy Atlas overrated as an "expert" on boxing?

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  • The Hammer
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    Is Teddy Atlas overrated as an "expert" on boxing?

    Why does the opinion of Teddy Atlas get so much media attention?

    After all, he was a failure as a trainer. He was fired by Cus D'Amato after being his assistant, because he lost his cool and held a gun to age 15 Mike Tyson's head.

    Atlas angrily left Shannon Briggs after Shannon was KOed, same with Michael Grant and several others. He was the trainer in Michael Moorer's corner when George Foreman KOed him to become the oldest HW champion ever.

    Since hooking up with Atlas, Alexander Povetkin has gone from a world HW title contender to fighting clubfighters to becoming inactive.

    Teddy was even going to shoot and kill Donny LaLonde after that boxer fired him as trainer.

    Atlas has only ONE win as a trainer in a world title fight. Trainers such as Richardson, Roach, Wegner and Steward have MANY such wins.


    From wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teddy_Atlas

    The son of a doctor, Teddy Atlas grew up in a wealthy area of Staten Island. His father was of Hungarian-***ish descent. His parents were loving and upscale people. Teddy spent summers in Spring Lake New Jersey, with his families friends. He was known to be violent to his family and friends.

    His brother Tommy shot his grandmother in 1978, causing a disturbance in the Atlas family’s life. Thomas Atlas is an inmate at NYS Prison at Marcy, N.Y. He was also arrested after beating his sister Meridith. By his own admission, Atlas had a somewhat troubled, rebellious youth. He dropped out of school and was arrested several times, once serving time on Riker’s Island.

    Teddy Atlas trained as an amateur boxer briefly with Hall of Fame trainer Cus D'Amato, but he was forced to retire after suffering a back injury. He is also reported to have had 9 amateur fights, the majority of which he lost. Atlas became an assistant to D'Amato, and he occasionally helped in the training of protege Mike Tyson. His relationship with Tyson ended after Tyson at the age of 15 had been sexually inappropriate with an eleven year old female relative of Atlas. Atlas put a .38 caliber handgun to Tysons ear and told him to never touch his family again or he would murder him.[1]

    Atlas enjoyed his only real professional success as a head trainer with Michael Moorer. He also drew criticism for what some considered to be overly dramatic speeches in the ring corner, particularly during Moorer's Heavyweight title fight with Evander Holyfield, and some felt he did these antics to draw attention to himself rather than help his fighter, during one such speech Atlas blocked Moorer from sitting on his stool and asked "Do you want me to take over?"

    He also trained Light-Heavyweight Donny Lalonde, but they clashed in temperament and style. "He ran things like an army camp," Lalonde said. "I'm more of a free spirit." He and Atlas parted ways, and Lalonde hired Tommy Gallagher as his new trainer.

    Atlas published his autobiography, Atlas: From the Streets to the Ring: A Son's Struggle to Become a Man, in 2006. Atlas confessed in the book that at one point he was so angry at Donny LaLonde he went to his home with a gun and a friend, to kill LaLonde for firing him as manager. Atlas states in his biography that he changed his mind at last minute.
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    Yes, they should be asking Richardson, Steward or Roach instead
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    No, Teddy's had a brilliant record as a trainer and his commentary is always fair and intelligent
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    Last edited by The Hammer; 05-26-2011, 10:00 AM.
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    I think Teddy Atlas is a very good trainer and knows a lot about boxing. The problem with Atlas was that when he was younger, he had a very short temper and didn't have patience.

    You don't have to be a world champion or have even boxed to be a great trainer. The same way there are basketball, football and baseball coaches who have never played that are great coaches.

    Being a great coach is having the knowledge, understanding, patience and the ability to relay that information in a way the athlete is going to absorb it very easily.

    Joe Goosen is one of the best trainers and he's never even boxed, Atlas was a poor amateur boxer and he knows his stuff.

    Sometimes, being a great boxer makes you a poor trainer because you expect people to be able to do what you did so easily.

    I like Teddy Atlas, he's a throw back to another time of boxing.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502
      I think Teddy Atlas is a very good trainer and knows a lot about boxing. The problem with Atlas was that when he was younger, he had a very short temper and didn't have patience.
      But except for one fight, Teddy's been a complete failure as a boxing trainer.

      He did poorly with LaLonde, Briggs and Tyson, who went on to better things after getting rid of Teddy. Same with Grant, and currently with Povetkin.

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        #4
        I really wonder if Atlas acts the way he does for shock value or because he really is that petty and that much a moron.

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          #5
          Originally posted by bojangles1987
          I really wonder if Atlas acts the way he does for shock value or because he really is that petty and that much a moron.
          If you look at his life history, you'll see he really is a moron.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Freedom.
            Why does the opinion of Teddy Atlas get so much media attention?

            After all, he was a failure as a trainer. He was fired by Cus D'Amato as being his assistant, after holding a gun to age 15 Mike Tyson's head.

            Atlas angrily left Shannon Briggs after he was KOed, same with Michael Grant and several others. He was the trainer in Michael Moorer's corner when George Foreman KOed him to become the oldest HW champion ever.

            Since hooking up with Atlas, Alexander Povetkin has gone from a world HW title contender to fighting clubfighters to becoming inactive.

            Teddy was even going to shoot and kill Donny LaLonde after that boxer fired him as trainer.

            Atlas has only ONE win as a trainer in a world title fight. Trainers such as Richardson, Roach, Wegner and Steward have MANY such wins.


            From wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teddy_Atlas
            Just asking, but how is Atlas at fault when it comes to Povetkin's inactivity or opposition?

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              #7
              Originally posted by _Hisoka
              Just asking, but how is Atlas at fault when it comes to Povetkin's inactivity or opposition?
              The decisions on Povetkin's opponents last year were made by Teddy.

              Sauerland wanted Povetkin to take the title fight with Wladimir, Teddy advised him to not do so.

              Sauerland set up Dominick Guinn as an opponent, but Teddy decided Guinn was too dangerous and Povetkin fought Oruh instead. Guinn then fought another Sauerland boxer Kubrat Pulev.
              Last edited by The Hammer; 05-26-2011, 08:19 AM.

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                #8
                looking at his dismal performance as a trainer and volatile history, why is the media giving him so much airtime?

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                  His relationship with Tyson ended after Tyson at the age of 15 had been sexually inappropriate with an eleven year old female relative of Atlas. Atlas put a .38 caliber handgun to Tysons ear and told him to never touch his family again or he would murder him

                  This is a poor example of bad judgement, seems to me this shows good judgement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                  • The Hammer
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                    Teddy's brother Thomas, who shot and killed their grandmother in 1978, also killed a man in prison in 1987:



                    INMATE CHARGED IN KILLING: An inmate at the Green Haven Correctional Facility has been charged with second-degree murder. He is accused of killing a fellow prisoner with a baseball bat as the victim slept. Thomas Atlas, who was serving a term for killing his grandmother, was charged with murder Wednesday. Prison officials charged he struck and killed Ratislav Ristic, 61, who was sleeping near a softball game in the recreational area of the state prison in Dutchess County, said James Flateau, spokesman for the state Department of Correctional Services. Flateau also said a second prisoner was charged Monday with the murder last month of an inmate in the Sullivan Correctional Facility in Woodbourne. They are the first two murders in New York state prisons this year, Flateau said.

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