Scott Levinson: "Memo to Pacfans: 12 Points to Consider"

[John Barron]

ive been wanting to write an article like this for a long time!!!! good read!! good points, but they are not going to listen nor comment

it's sickening. only a good 20% of boxing readers would understand this article. the other % is camping examiner.com for the next marley bestseller.

do you guys really expect intelligent boxing comments from a ****ing youtube comment section

just take a look at this thread, i bet there are racist ****** floyd fans that already posted here.

you're really dense.

[Ryannn]

maybe thats what was on his heart when he wrote the article, im a fan of both but seriously the pac fans go to far and show no respect for anyone outside of pac and its all over the net... i try to debate them respectfully, with facts but i get called names, a *****, a d!ck and ball sucker, and all sorts of other crap! the focus here in this article was pacs fans tho thats just what it is if there was one written on floyds fans ud agree with everything and wouldnt question it! its like me catching my woman cheating and instead of her admitting she messed up she brings up the fact that other women cheat all the time!

im not disagreeing with the article. there are a lot of pac fans who should get their heads out of their asses

but every popular athlete has bad fans, some tyson fans a while back where damn intolerable. same with tito fans, then with oscar fans, down right to mayweather/pacquiao fans.

[John Barron]

im not disagreeing with the article. there are a lot of pac fans who should get their heads out of their asses

but every popular athlete has bad fans, some tyson fans a while back where damn intolerable. same with tito fans, then with oscar fans, down right to mayweather/pacquiao fans.

for every 10 ***** there's 1000 *******s. they don't warrant such articles.

replace ***** with any of those boxer's fans.

[jtiger777]

im not disagreeing with the article. there are a lot of pac fans who should get their heads out of their asses

but every popular athlete has bad fans, some tyson fans a while back where damn intolerable. same with tito fans, then with oscar fans, down right to mayweather/pacquiao fans.

yeah but the pac fans are just at the top right now, i see some very ignorant floyd fans also but im all over the net in various boxing threads and i must admit the pac fans are currently the most annoying of the bunch, but it is what it is, if this article was about floyd/ali/tyson then id agree if he made some good points, just so happens that this one is to pacs fans (the ignorant ones)

[TheTruth!]

*******s won't be able to comprehend anything the author wrote.

[AFighter4U]

maybe thats what was on his heart when he wrote the article, im a fan of both but seriously the pac fans go to far and show no respect for anyone outside of pac and its all over the net... i try to debate them respectfully, with facts but i get called names, a *****, a d!ck and ball sucker, and all sorts of other crap! the focus here in this article was pacs fans tho thats just what it is if there was one written on floyds fans ud agree with everything and wouldnt question it! its like me catching my woman cheating and instead of her admitting she messed up she brings up the fact that other women cheat all the time!

you are right that there are Pacfans who tend to be downright disrespectful, but they aren't the only ones.

basically, Pac fans represent ALL types of fans, just magnified 100x.

whenever i post, i try to be respectful and mindful of the fact that everyone has a right to their own opinions, but i've been called names myself, just because i'm a fan of Manny.

are there disrespectful Pacfans? yes. are there RACIST pacfans? of course! are there troll Pacfans? most definitely.

are Pacfans the ONLY ones who act this way? of course not. common sense!

[Ryannn]

replace ***** with any of those boxer's fans.

well no *****, there are fewer than them now. none of them are active fighters now, in case you didn't know.

people always biitch and whine about how bad pac fans are,

well recently someone submitted "the article" to tons of sites, most of them are not even boxing related. isn't that obsessive and malicious?

there's a thread posted here posting yesterday bashing filipinos cause of the average IQ is lower than that of US. isn't that racist?

and floyd isn't even fighting nowadays.

[Chopper417]

http://www.proboxing-fans.com/memo-t...nsider_052511/

Published: May 25 2011 by: Scott Levinson

Listen Up Pacquiao Fans....

I admire the way Filipinos support Manny Pacquiao. I can only wish boxing heroes were treated that way here in the USA. As one cruises the Internet, however, it appears that it has gone overboard. I understand it. After all, some are begrudging in giving Manny his just due as an all-time great. Couple that with the unsubstantiated drug accusations levied against Pac by Floyd Mayweather and his fans, and it’s not hard to figure out why Pacquiao fans are shot out of a cannon.

I regard Manny as the best in the sport. I also sided with him 100% in the whole drug debate. I found it troubling that Floyd’s half-baked theories were given any credence whatsoever. After all, doesn’t Floyd being a rival of Pacquiao’s cut into his credibility a little bit? That’s like letting the Yankees write the book on the Red Sox—I just don’t take seriously the criticisms of people with such an obvious vested interest and bias. The venom of Pacquiao supporters is somewhat justified in that area.

But now, it seems like Pacquiao fanatics are actually doing their man harm. The dialogue has become intolerable. Anyone making remarks that are even remotely negative toward Pacquiao catch a ton of flack. Even if you write an article about Muhammad Ali [or Bernard Hopkins] a bunch of weirdos will jump on there and ask why isn’t the article about Pacquiao? For educated boxing fans, the Internet is hard enough to stomach. But now, it has been made utterly unbearable.

I want all the Pacquiao fans to consider the following points with equanimity. Keep an even temper and actually ponder some of these points. Then maybe we can get to the business of serious boxing talk instead of juvenile pissing contests that go nowhere.

01. Boxing and its history are areas of knowledge that take years to develop just like any other subject. Being a Pacquiao fan does not necessarily make you an expert on boxing or the history of sport.

02. The belief that Americans and the U.S. press are predisposed to dislike foreign fighters is a preposterous notion. It’s more of a case of the top dog always catching flack. Go look at how other pound-for-pound #1 fighters in recent years were treated by the press and then tell me there is something abnormal about what Pacquiao is forced to endure.

03. There are at least 15 fighters in boxing history who have more than a good case for being ranked ahead of Pacquiao on the all-time list. You might think he’s the best of all-time and are entitled to your opinion. But to lambaste a person who dare suggests that Harry Greb was better (a man with 25 wins over fighters in the Hall of Fame) makes you look profoundly ignorant to any person who knows the history of the sport. Just so you know.

04. Strong opinions, bluster, and insults are no substitutes for actual knowledge. Go put in your 25,000 hours studying the sport and then you’ll be qualified to compete. Until then, you resemble a poodle pissing on an elephant’s leg. You’re in no position to question the expertise of certain people. Knowing your true strengths is also knowing your limitations. True expert status is not something you just magically acquire in any area of life, so why boxing?

05. You cannot judge boxing history accurately with the presence of bias. If you’re coming from a predisposed slant, I can pretty much predict everything that you will say. And those are the last people who get taken seriously when discussing boxing history.

06. To love a fighter and champion his cause is good. To call someone’s mother into question because he suggested Tommy Hearns in his prime might defeat Pacquiao is childish.

07. You can tell a boxing conversation is low-level when insults make up a large part of the dialogue. The real minds in the business of boxing history are able to discuss and disagree in a civil manner. People who are “in the know” build up a vast reservoir of knowledge upon which they carefully mold an opinion based on years of careful deliberation. You got the game all twisted. You began with a strong opinion and then built a case to support it.

08. Overly-obnoxious fans are actually accomplishing the opposite of what they intend—having turned off a ton of people with this infantile Internet campaign.

09. Real fans, historians, and the real clever minds in the business are not the same people you see slurring Pacquiao on lowly message boards and other places upon which you paint an impression of the typical American fan. You have allowed 1% of the fans to dictate the agenda to you.

10. Why does the fact that Pacquiao has achieved the bulk of his glory right here in the USA not speak louder to you than what a handful of asswipes might be saying on YouTube?

11. The levying of insults and even racism toward Mayweather and his fans detracted from the superior case Pacquiao has in this whole debate. Pacquiao fans could have won the debate on drugs or who the best is with superior evidence and point-making. By following Mayweather and his fans into the gutter, you took the focus off the actual merit of Pacquiao’s case.

12. It’s not too late. By elevating the level of boxing talk, you can start to nudge people the right way, rather than turn them off. The whole point here is for Pacquiao to get his just due and not be unjustly labeled as a cheater, isn’t it? So educate instead of denigrate. Explain the case and don’t just whack people over the head. Filipinos know their boxing. It’s time to show it. Leave the kid stuff for the kids.

Absolutely my favorite! haha I just can't believe that I will openly admit to a Pac fan that I feel his resume is stronger than Mayweather's and that he is currently ahead of May as an ATG but they still won't even listen to rational points I try to make about Pac's career. I'm sorry Pac fans if I do not consider a 35 year old, weight drained corpse, hasn't made 147 in 7 years, over trained, couldn't look decent against Steve Forbes, 5 loss, whooped by Mayweather, Oscar De la Hoya a legitimate victory, sincerest apologies once again.

[John Barron]

well no *****, there are fewer than them now. none of them are active fighters now, in case you didn't know.

people always biitch and whine about how bad pac fans are,

well recently someone submitted "the article" to tons of sites, most of them are not even boxing related. isn't that obsessive and malicious?

there's a thread posted here posting yesterday bashing filipinos cause of the average IQ is lower than that of US. isn't that racist?

and floyd isn't even fighting nowadays.

wtf is your point? you just jumped from subject to subject, lol. you clearly feel attacked by this article.

FYI this is what you should post

you are right that there are Pacfans who tend to be downright disrespectful, but they aren't the only ones.

basically, Pac fans represent ALL types of fans, just magnified 100x.

whenever i post, i try to be respectful and mindful of the fact that everyone has a right to their own opinions, but i've been called names myself, just because i'm a fan of Manny.

are there disrespectful Pacfans? yes. are there RACIST pacfans? of course! are there troll Pacfans? most definitely.

are Pacfans the ONLY ones who act this way? of course not. common sense!

thank you! that is the essence of this article. i don't know why ryann is bleeding all over the place...

[CarlosG815]

all good points actually.

one thing the author forgot to mention. all those points apply to ALL ZEALOUS fans.

Manny is the flavor of the month and naturally, he'd have his share of overzealous fans who tend to overreact, and this list certainly applies to them.

but it does not apply to them ONLY.

I kind of disagree. Many fighters have their share of diehard nuthuggers, but I believe that Manny fans are a totally different breed. It is clear when talking to a ***** that they are knowledgeable about the history and many other fighters. When dealing with *******s they don't know anything about boxing prior to 2005 and they only follow Pacquiao. Add that to the fact that *******s run this forum, they outnumber actual boxing fans 5 to 1 or 10 to 1.

The reason this article was made, and why it needed to be made, is because Pacquiao, for the most part, has the most fans, and from a boxing fan standpoint, they are the worst fans.

In all of my life following boxing never have I seen anything close to it. There is a reason that it is well known that his fans are ridiculous and it's not only because he is the flavor of the month. I can think of all the flavors of the month but they were flavors of the month by boxing fans who knew the sport.... Sadly for Pacquiao, most of his fans are just Filipino fanboys who really do not follow the sport, but only him, and that's the difference.