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Originally posted by ShoguNinja View PostDude first and foremost, fighter's fight. Manny wouldn't be Manny if he stays in the feather-weight and fought the "supposedly" the best challengers and beat them in that weight division 'till the day he retires. He will be remembered as a "good boxer" in the feather-weight but not an "All-Time Great." Weight jumping and fighting the "Best Possible Opposition" in the higher weight is required to make you stand-out among the rest and it also motivate you to improve because of the "new challenges". If this is the 80's with 3 recognized Boxing Organization(WBA, IBF & WBC), i bet that Manny will "clean the house" but the thing is... it is 2011, things have change, the rules have change, the game have change. The boxing organization and the state-athletic-commissions have made the rules. Did Manny violate any of them? Manny is the "little guy", an Asian... trying to get his "respect" againts the other much bigger dawgs in the neighborhood far away from his home and he has done it by beating them in their own back yard. What he did is not easy!
If Sergio wants to be recognized as the next P4P Best then he should do the same and challenge the much bigger guys and do what Manny did or do it even better so their are less "arm-chair experts" to bashed him during his time and get more love from the "hardcore" boxing fans?! But their are always "Haters" regardless of what he will do just like Manny because it's human nature.
Manny did not become #1 P4P boxer by accident or a stroke of luck. He did not become the #1 attraction in boxing by media hype or sensationalism. He did it by hard worked and dedication to his craft. People now are smart they recognized "god-given talent or skills" from the ordinary to the the extra-ordinary thats why he get the support thats needed. Those who can't recognized that are insanely ret@rded and id!ots who prefer fantasy more than reality. Give the man his Rightful Due!fail man....
so martinez needs to do what manny did and fight bigger guys with catchweights in order to be p4p the best? he'll just get more criticism than he already has. he can fight at jmw and mw, perhaps try unifying some belts, most of his opponents have been taller than him, or will be....but like you said, there will always be haters.
pac did have some luck/help reaching the top, he had scumbag arum set up title or big named fights along with catchweights...he wouldn't have reached fame as fast as he did if dlh never gave him that shot. if he had god given talents he wouldn't have backed out of the blood tests in the 1st negotiation of the mayweather fight would he? or be wanting catchweights against his opponents to have a slight advantage....they would both make weight and manny would flat out whoop em...i'm a fan of manny, but his recent army of fans who see him as God, and bash martinez for calling him out when he in fact they both fought in the same weight class is ******ed. martinez is an inch shorter than margs but is too big even if he weighs in at the jmw limit....cmon man
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Originally posted by LeadUppercut View Post" funny thing " ?
Martinez is clearly not a SMW, no discussion required there.
He is a large JMW who can still make 154.
About marquez fight, its marquez asking for it and he also want to make history for himself to be the first mexican to capture fourth world title in a fourth division! and besides, Pac and Marquez almost have same height and weight at fight night!
one more thing, any boxer in history who is same size of pac, 5 ft. 6 in. and wight around 148 lbs at fight night campaigning/campaigned at 154 lbs???
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Originally posted by LeadUppercut View PostI just think it is ridiculous to suggest that Martinez should jump to SMW.
He is clearly punching above his weight at middle.
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Originally posted by Hi-Dro View Postthe **** is that dumb as.s writer talking about?
and Floyd won a legit title at 154, thus Martinez is not to big for him.
Pac won a Bull**** title at 154, thus Martinez has to call him out.
i agree completely, its not like hes calling out donaire
floyd won a title at 154 and judging from his jmm weight he can fight at
154 legitimately
and if pac can fight for and win a title at 154 then why cant he fight sergio
at 154??????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????
this is why i have hopkins and martinez at 1 and 2 top lb4lb above
everyone else
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Originally posted by Hi-Dro View Postthe **** is that dumb as.s writer talking about?
and Floyd won a legit title at 154, thus Martinez is not to big for him.
Pac won a Bull**** title at 154, thus Martinez has to call him out.
Hopkins fought Pavlik.....and Pavlik faught Martinez... so Hopkins vs MArtinez should happen! right?
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Originally posted by LeadUppercut View PostNo kid, Pacquiao is a chicken-**** hypocrite b1tch.
He thinks that it is fine for Marquez to jump TWO DIVISIONS to welter, he claims to be a JMW champion, and yet he will not fight a genuine JMW opponent.
What a ch1cken-**** b1tch that Pacquiao kid is.
the difference with pac/marquez and pac/martinez is huge...
pac/marquez will weigh about the same come fight nite, dont think marquez wont becuase he had a fight nite weight of about 145 against katsidis...with pac/martinez, martinez will outweigh pac by 25 to 30 lbs, big difference bro man, stop being ignorant
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Originally posted by chiguy91 View Postmanny wouldn't clean any "house". he didn't defend his lightweight, light welterweight, and light middleweight belt, let alone defended his welterweight belt against a punching bag and a shot fighter, and now a blown up lightweight. wtf does being asian have to do with disadvantages or proofing himself? he is only "little" in height, his reach and fight night weight up to cotto has been more if not the same. dlh to now are not big "dawgs", manny has made WW comfortably if not losing weight to make it, height and weight don't matter if they suck and manny has power and speed over them. manny has been fighting in the U.S since 2001 and lives in LA!!! margs is mexican, cotto is rican, hatton is british, and clottey is african, if anything, this is his backyard,fail man....
so martinez needs to do what manny did and fight bigger guys with catchweights in order to be p4p the best? he'll just get more criticism than he already has. he can fight at jmw and mw, perhaps try unifying some belts, most of his opponents have been taller than him, or will be....but like you said, there will always be haters.
pac did have some luck/help reaching the top, he had scumbag arum set up title or big named fights along with catchweights...he wouldn't have reached fame as fast as he did if dlh never gave him that shot. if he had god given talents he wouldn't have backed out of the blood tests in the 1st negotiation of the mayweather fight would he? or be wanting catchweights against his opponents to have a slight advantage....they would both make weight and manny would flat out whoop em...i'm a fan of manny, but his recent army of fans who see him as God, and bash martinez for calling him out when he in fact they both fought in the same weight class is ******ed. martinez is an inch shorter than margs but is too big even if he weighs in at the jmw limit....cmon man
ATG post right there.....
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Originally posted by No Ceilings View PostPac forces JMM up 2 weight classes yet Pac isnt a bully? Wheres the consistency from these writers?
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Originally posted by sapaw View PostIm not saying that the writer is right... but here is what your logic states...
Hopkins fought Pavlik.....and Pavlik faught Martinez... so Hopkins vs MArtinez should happen! right?pavlik fought them in two different divisions..that's like hatton vs margs.
martinez weighed in at 159 1/2 for pavlik (same weight). bhops came in at 170 for pavlik(169). that's a 10 1/2 pound difference.
plus bhops is fighting at 175 now. unless bhops meets him at 168, i wouldn't wanna see it.Last edited by chiguy91; 05-26-2011, 06:21 AM.
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