New victor ortiz interview talks mayweather

[The Big Dunn]

I hear what you're saying Dunn but...

Floyd argued that Baldomir's winw as a fluke, that he was a bum, that Zab wasn't 100% and thus fighting Zab made sense.

Well then...why fight Baldomir later? Instead of Margarito who, at the time, was a far bigger threat? In retrospect, the Margarito fight was never going to happen due to the Top Rank conflict. Of course, I didn't realize that then.

Anyway, prior to his retirement, Floyd's resume at 147 was mediocre. But I think the win over Shane solidifies it quite nicely.

Baldo was the lineal champ. No fighter is expected to fight a regional champ from a small organization over the lineal champ.

[tredh]

Sorry but Judah already been beat before as well.

You saying that to say what exactly?

[IMDAZED]

Baldo was the lineal champ. No fighter is expected to fight a regional champ from a small organization over the lineal champ.

Yeah but to be fair, Margarito was the man. THE man. The only reason he wasn't lineal was because when he asked Zab for a fight, Zab said . "HELL NO!"

[IMDAZED]

Sorry but Judah already been beat before as well.

Why are you quoting me? Did you even read what I wrote? Your reply makes no sense. Get lost, dude.

[V.WEBB]

Yo DK, what's going on here with this thread of yours?

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333674

How can you complain about all of those guys that Floyd fought at Welter, then you say that you wouldn't give him credit for beating Manny Pacquaio? Makes no sense.

[IMDAZED]

Yo DK, what's going on here with this thread of yours?

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333674

How can you complain about all of those guys that Floyd fought at Welter, then you say that you wouldn't give him credit for beating Manny Pacquaio? Makes no sense.

I like DK but when it comes to Floyd...SMH. Floyd beat Castillo the first time...no wait, he lost. IDK, man.

[BoxingFollower]

Yeah but to be fair, Margarito was the man. THE man. The only reason he wasn't lineal was because when he asked Zab for a fight, Zab said . "HELL NO!"

To be fair Margarito was ONLY the man because he had bricks in his gloves, I still think that if Nazzim hadn't caught him, he would probably still be "The Man" or even number 1 P4P.

[V.WEBB]

I like DK but when it comes to Floyd...SMH. Floyd beat Castillo the first time...no wait, he lost. IDK, man.

Yea, that's classic. He knows boxing though, I give him that.

[Dynamite Kid]

Yes, there are a # of people who have certain opinions but if that's not your argument then there's no point in bringing it up. Optimum weight doesn't equal smaller man. Judah was in no way smaller than a Mayweather who had all of one fight at 147 when they met.

That's not the only knock on that win, that's why it was brought up. Judah, regardless whether he was smaller or not, was coming off a loss, that was the original point.

So floyd fought both. Baldo who was bigger and judha who was better. How can you fault him.

didn't fight the likes of Williams, Cotto, Margarito when they were prime players in the division

When floyd beat baldo and judah, cotto nor williams were prime players at 147. Margarito was 1 fight removed from losing to Daniel Santos and was the WBO champ.

Hatton came up to face the champ. Floyd did the same thing with Castillo and Gatti. Hatton didn't lose because he was smaller, ehe lost because floyd is bettr than him. And shane was 38, but he just beat MArgarito (who according to your post) was a "prime player", and was the top ww in the world. A guy many, maybe not you, had accussed floyd of ducking and wnated him to fight.

I just think you left out some key points.

He fought Judah after he LOST to Baldy, to me, it was like, now I know how limited he is, that if Baldy can beat him, I will definitely beat him, particularly as his confidence will also be low, I feel more comfortable taking the fight now, as its opportunistic moment. You might think that's insignificant, but remember, this is a guy who fought a smaller man(JMM), yet still decided to cheat him at the scales to gain an even bigger advantage.

Cotto had just beaten Judah if I recall, and Mayweather decided to cherry pick Hatton from the 140lbs division, he was clearly a logical opponent. Floyd could of fought those guys after that, were not specifically talking about only during that period.

Hatton still lost out of his his optimum weight class, he was still a smaller man. I never wanted to see him fight Mosley, check my post history, I said from day one it would be a white wash, that Shane has been done since the Cotto fight, that the Margo win was a smoke screen, there is not revisionist history on my part, Shane was an old man with stamina issues who couldn't longer pull the trigger as far as im concerned, infact I can remember arguing with someone, before he fought Floyd, about whether he really was the top WW in the world.

Homie you all over the place. You are a straight up hater. thanks for the back and forth tho.

I stick to the facts, and reality, based on his history, I just cant see him fighting these guys, and if you can, then its you who are being disingenuous, not me, cause his recent history, belies that.

The way you just tried to justify all those opponent against factual evidence says its not so much I'm a hater, that your just a fanboy who cant deal with the facts.

[BoxingFollower]

To be fair, we don't even know HOW long Margarito has been cheating, he could have been cheating his WHOLE CAREER, and if thats the case he was still losing fights.

Margarito has 0% credibility, he bassically has to start his whole career over and build up, Matthew Hatton and Ricky Hatton are closer to being legends than him.