torino...no offence bro, but you are a bit confused.......
getting knocked down 5 times in the first and second rounds ie against sanders is stamina related??
please bro, don't play dumb here....
look at lewis' opponents....most of whom have a very very high KO percentage...and how many times in his stellar career was he on the deck?????......2 from 44 fights.......and those 2 times were from HUGE punches that somehow got to him...i call this being human.
torino...no offence bro, but you are a bit confused.......
getting knocked down 5 times in the first and second rounds ie against sanders is stamina related??
Please tell me where I said this? I guess I took for granted that you could follow my post intelligently.
First, it was 4 times not 5. And he kept getting up. Therefore Never out cold like Lewis.
Second, it's the Sanders fight that I was referring to when I said Wlad was "dazed".
Originally posted by moochi
please bro, don't play dumb here....
look at lewis' opponents....most of whom have a very very high KO percentage...and how many times in his stellar career was he on the deck?????......2 from 44 fights.......and those 2 times were from HUGE punches that somehow got to him...i call this being human.
Slow down and read my posts and hopefully then you'll get it.
All other Wlad knock downs where stamina related.
Stay with me now, I never said Lewis didn't have a great career, I only said it's not scientifically viable to compare who's "chin" is better.
This is opinion based but people say a weak chin is when you (A)get knocked down and you don't get up, or (B) say it's when you get knocked down numerous times.
Wlad has been knocked down numerous times, but Lewis was knocked down and he didn't get up twice. That's the difference here.
its a toss up.... lewis was never hurt as many times as wlad, but then wlad never got one punched KO'd and lewis never got up off the floor to win either...
Lewis was on his feet after the mccall knockdown at the count of 6 and the ref didnt even give him the full 10 count. Now Wlad was so wobbly after getting up from the first sanders kd that he pretty much just fell down for the second kd!Watch it again.
Even Rahman agrees that his win over Lewis was no one punch ko. http://www.*************.com/news/stories/125095111.php
Hasim Rahman: "I hit him [lewis] with a really good right hand early in the 5th round. And I felt like I hurt him. He smiled at me. And that just confirmed that I hurt him. I figured I'd just go for the finish. "
Lewis' chin was not that bad at all. I think Wlad's chin is pretty f**king bad, but not quite as bad as people make it out. He took some good shots from Peter.
as big a wlad fan as I am,,,I have to admit that lewis has the much better chin. lewis was down twice in his career,,,but only becuase he walked straight into shots he didnt see. he's shaken off many more punches than wlads been able to do
I think it's clearly Lennox, his two defeats where from suprise punches, the one by McCall was a blind punch, but lewis took a hell of a lot of other puches in his career, he showed some of that in the fights with Briggs, Mercer, and Klitschko, i think Wlad has a much weaker chin, i feel Lewis's chin is sometimes unfairly critisized.
strongly agree. I actually think lewis had a descent chin,,,,its just that he never recuped very well when he was rocked. and he walked right into those right hands from mcall and rahman. any heavy that walks right into a punch will go to sleep
I'd go with Lewis...but ultimately, it doesn't matter. Lewis was so superior a fighter, the chin issue doesn't even come into play.
actually,,,skill wise I think wlad is almost as good a fighter as lewis. both have great jabs and straight right hands. wlad has the better left hook,,while lewis has a better uppercut. the 2 things that seperate them is defense and chin. lewis used his height much better and had a better chin. lewis likely knocks wlad out had they met in lewis's prime,,although wlad would have a descent punchers chance
The only thing that Lennox's chin had better than Wlad's was protection! Lewis protected his chin very well. Lewis was actually knocked out cold against Rahman, and Wlad was never knocked out, just down. If Wlad ever gets knocked out cold and counted out, then i will say their chins are even. Lewis had better defense than Wlad, that's for sure.
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