Comments Thread For: Fighting Words: Pacquiao/Steroids: Rumor Creates Ruckus

[richardt]

ABSOLUTELY there were second negotiations because it was ALL OVER THE PRESS that they were going into this set of negotiations with a gag order! That is common knowledge to anyone at the time! Ross Greenburg did NOT belong to either side and is with HBO confirmed. Explain why they would have a gag order!

[richardt]

Gag Order and second negotiations: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...ions-completed

[Einstien]

I'm American too, but atleast I aint ****** enough to comment nonesense crap. whatta b!tch. B!tch of all b!tches why did you have to come into my life!!!

These Filipnos are funny as hell. They make an And 1 Penny Hardaway Avi and expect you to believe they are African Americans hating on Floyd....HILARIOUS!!!

[Bee Keepz]

So Mayweather's camp sought Conte's advice and Conte said five days, but it wasn't good enough sounds like. Crazy thing is it must've been put out there for Pacquiao to agree to it.

Victor Conte - "I would not want to single-out Manny Pacquiao because I have no direct evidence that he has used any performance enhancing drugs. That being said, I think we need to be su****ious of everybody at the elite level. What he's doing, to go from the lower weight divisions up to many divisions higher and maintain his speed and power- is that su****ious? Yes it is. But are there people throughout Olympic or professional sports history that are just genetic freaks and have a mindset that's powerful, and I guess the question is, 'Could you do what Manny Pacquiao does?' or 'Could other fighters do what Manny Pacquiao does and be clean?', I believe with hard-tech nutrition and training and these other available methods like this intermittent hypoxic training which has some of the benefits, the same benefits you would receive from using EPO, I believe it can be done."

"I don't think Manny should be singled-out until some specific information comes forward indicating that he has used performance enhancing drugs."

"I was contacted by people associated with Floyd Mayweather when they were having the judge arbitrate how to come up with a (drug testing) program and what I recommended and I clearly understand Manny Pacquiao is not the first athlete that has had an adverse psychological response to having their blood drawn. Asafa Powell from Jamaica for many years was the world record holder for the 100-meters, the world's fastest human, in Beijing said that he was affected by having his blood drawn before the 100-meters there. Not it may only be psychological, but it's a valid explanation. Some people don't like it and it has an effect upon them,"

"I think you got to take it a step at a time. And I don't think you can just walk in and take over the sport and implement Olympic caliber testing by USADA all at the same time. I think you have to compromise, you have to look at the specifics of boxing and you have to develop a program that is tailor-made for the sport of boxing, so I suggested 5 days out because there are certain things you can do to more easily circumvent as opposed to using the 14-day or the 24-day out as a cut-off for testing. I would recommend 5 days, but if you're hungry a half loaf of bread is better than none and I think you need to compromise. And I don't think it's ever going to be perfect,"

"Manny Pacquiao has now came up and said that he is willing to do the testing all the way up to 14 days before, my opinion is, they need to make this fight. Let's get it on. That's a compromise that should be accepted by Mayweather and all parties concerned need to understand just because Manny Pacquiao agreed to do the USADA testing and do what Shane Mosley and Floyd Mayweather did doesn't necessarily mean they're clean."

"People that are determined to cheat could still use drugs and like I say, you can sign the fight today and start testing five weeks before the fight, who's to say they're not both using anabolic steroids for months? For months and months that you do a series of cycles of steroids you can still maintain that benefit and improvement in performance. We don't live in a perfect world, I think you need to compromise. I would like to see, for the benefit of all those in the world of boxing, I would like to see Floyd Mayweather agree to a 14-day drug testing that Manny Pacquiao said he would comply with and let's bring this fight."

"For whatever claims they said about Floyd being drug testing for the Mosley fight, he was tested 19 days before the fight. Let's get real here. Floyd's saying my way or the highway, well that's BS. It's got to be a compromise and there's never going 100% (accurate test) and we need to acknowledge that and I think Manny has made an effort to compromise and move to Floyd's direction and I think Manny needs to be applauded for that."

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"That's why him and my nephew never fought, because he didn't want to take the test himself. He said he would take a test five days out," said Roger Mayweather. "Who in the hell would do that? Aint no such thing as taking a test five days out. You can take the test the day before the fight, that's it. The rest of that stuff don't mean nothing."

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[PennyAnd1]

I love MarionJones. She brought a lot of inspiration to kids for years! Before she was found guilty of PEDs use, she vehemently denied ever using it. Why? Bcoz she was just protecting her NAME and REPUTATION that her Olympic medals has given her. It's human nature. And Pac said he will fight to protect his name. Well it's human nature.

So if I accuse..you.. That..uhmm, you are Floyd..
And that you're an a$$..who likes gay guys..
And you respond, ..hell no!
But keep accusing you to stop pretending Floyd,..I know it's your a$$...
And you respond..again..hell no! I will fight to proTect my name..
that's human nature.. but.. meaning to say, you really are Floyd..and you do **** boys..
ok...I got it. lol, you almost got me Floyd.

[PennyAnd1]

The truth finally came out. Pacs training partner injected him with complex HGH mixture. The cat is out of the bag. Not to mention the a side meth. Pacroid got busted!

Oh FLoyd..you sure crack me up GET IN THAT ****IN' RING B!TCH!

[empiricix]

There were talks of a 2nd negotiation by Bob Arum, Richard Schaefer, Ross Greeburg and Leonard Ellerbe in the media but everyone was divided about it. Schaefer and Ellerbe says it didn't happen while Arum and Greenburg said it did? Who do we believe if that is the case? Do we automactically believe Arum and Greenburg or Schaefer and Ellerbe? Cannot be called a "negotiation" if everyone is divided on the issue. The first one was the official negotiation because everyone was there working to make the fight. I have been searching the net looking through articles and all I really see are different quotes and opinions on it from different people but nothing solid. Right now, it is just everyone's word against the other. You can believe there were negotiations and I can believe it wasn't negotiations because that is exactly how it looks concerning the 2nd negotiations.

Negotiations involve trying to agree on terms. That there was an effort for both sides to arrive at mutually agreeable terms, which was brokered by Greenburg, cannot be denied. While it is true that contradicting claims coming from Arum and Ellerbee cannot be relied on as being objective, Greenburg was an impartial party whose only concern was to make the fight. In fact, it can be argued that Greenburg was sympathetic to Floyd's camp since Al Haymon wields a lot of power at HBO.

Arum and Ellerbee cancel each other. Greenburg confirms Arum's claim of a second negotiations. There is no confusion as to who was lying here.

[empiricix]

ABSOLUTELY there were second negotiations because it was ALL OVER THE PRESS that they were going into this set of negotiations with a gag order! That is common knowledge to anyone at the time! Ross Greenburg did NOT belong to either side and is with HBO confirmed. Explain why they would have a gag order!

Schaeffer even made it appear that GBP was involved in the negotiations but that he could not comment due to a gag order. Oscar even confirmed in an interview that a deal will soon be in place. Turns out they weren't even involved.

But why would GBO lie about a second negotiations and make it appear that they deserve credit if the fight materializes?

[GRUSTLER]

Negotiations involve trying to agree on terms. That there was an effort for both sides to arrive at mutually agreeable terms, which was brokered by Greenburg, cannot be denied. While it is true that contradicting claims coming from Arum and Ellerbee cannot be relied on as being objective, Greenburg was an impartial party whose only concern was to make the fight. In fact, it can be argued that Greenburg was sympathetic to Floyd's camp since Al Haymon wields a lot of power at HBO.

Arum and Ellerbee cancel each other. Greenburg confirms Arum's claim of a second negotiations. There is no confusion as to who was lying here.

If the main guys apart of the negotiations are divided on whether it was a negotiation or not. How can it be considered an official negotiation? Wasn't just Ellerbe denying it but Schaefer as well and he is the middle man for Floyd. Everything is in turmoil regarding Pac and Floyd. Should not have been a 2nd negotiation to begin with. That's my whole point. You guys want to rag on Floyd for not fighting Pac but Pac was the one that didn't want to fight Floyd. How can people cosign Pac going for a 2nd negotiation but in the same breath come down on Mayweather when technically Floyd tried to make the fight when it counted and was supposed to happen and Pac didn't. Why does Floyd get so much $#!t and not Pac? Anyways.. fight ain't happening so no need to debate on it any further. Just don't like Pac gets a pass for crapping out

[AFighter4U]

If the main guys apart of the negotiations are divided on whether it was a negotiation or not. How can it be considered an official negotiation? Wasn't just Ellerbe denying it but Schaefer as well and he is the middle man for Floyd. Everything is in turmoil regarding Pac and Floyd. Should not have been a 2nd negotiation to begin with. That's my whole point. You guys want to rag on Floyd for not fighting Pac but Pac was the one that didn't want to fight Floyd. How can people cosign Pac going for a 2nd negotiation but in the same breath come down on Mayweather when technically Floyd tried to make the fight when it counted and was supposed to happen and Pac didn't. Why does Floyd get so much $#!t and not Pac? Anyways.. fight ain't happening so no need to debate on it any further. Just don't like Pac gets a pass for crapping out

is it any surprise that Ellerbe and Schaefer can't get their stories straight? they're no different that Bob who says one thing today and the opposite the next, based on whatever suits his agenda.

remember they were against testing when they defended mosley then changed their minds when it came to floyd.

and people are raging on Floyd because according to ROSS GREENBURG, the THIRD PARTY, who is neutral, everything was going smoothly in the negotiations and he was flabbergasted why FLOYD didn't take the fight.

in other words, the cause of the failure of the 2nd negotiations WAS FLOYD and nobody else.