froch should refuse to fight ward in the us

[vacon04]

I don't care if they fight in the US, but I still think that they should NOT fight in California. Maybe Las Vegas or NY coulb be better scenarios.

[Smash]

Froch hasn't even beaten Johnson (Which I believe he will do btw) and we're already see the excuses being made by the Brits and the other US haters, pathetic.

Froch shouldn't have agreed to the contract, that states the semi-finals/finals are to be held in the United States, if he didn't want his last 2 fights in the tourney in the US. It's a tourney run by Showtime, which believe it or not, is a AMERICAN premium cable network, so they are calling the shots as to where the fights will be held. The final will most likely be held in NYC or Vegas, so you can rest assured Ward won't be fighting in Cali.

It's a good thing Froch isn't worried about it, as much as his fans are.

OK, try to imagine if the boot was on the other foot then. Lets say for example froch had it in the contract the he had not only all his group fights but also his semi final fight not just in his home country, but in his home town area. Now on top of that, he wants all the officials to be from not just his home country but the nottingham (or whereever hes from) area. After much argument and debate before each fight he has to "compromise" and accept only one or two officals from his area for the fight. All the while other home town super six fights feature no officials from the home fighters country at all!! Can you imagine the uproad there would be in america, this and other forums would be going crazy.

So when this is pointed out, some americans are crying typical anti american bias LOL, you dont seem to realise you do things in a far worse way then the positions are reversed!!

On top of that, noone is arguing that kessler would have beaten ward in denmark, but did kessler deserve to have his face bust up with wards repeated head butts (yes they were) and no hint of a warning from the ref? Noone is saying the AA would have beaten ward, but lets at least try to make the competion at least a bit fair. Froch for example, has fought in denmark, finland, now it will be the states and if he wins the states again. Contrast ward, like i said if the boot was on the other foot......

I realise its an american comp but people can at least complain about this type of stuff and demand fair fighting conditions. Like i said if it was the other way around there would be outrage and far worse said about euro fighters guaranteed.

[Smash]

European fans are hilarious, America is probably the best place in the world to get a fair call. Every other major country in the boxing world has be ridiculed of home calls from judges, but America not so much. I recall many thinking Hatton lost to Collazo, no home call there.

Dont agree with that at all. There are plenty of recent and not so recent questionable hometown decisions and judging from america, kotelnik against alexander, martinez v cintron, scores from the first martinez v williams fight, broner getting a gift against de leon, diaz getting the win against magicman in texas, off the top of my head. Bad stuff happens all over the world but listening to americans you would think it never happens there!! It does and more than most imo

There is no point is saying that just because ward is having good nights at home at the moment that he couldnt struggle under different circumstances. Wards got talent no doubt but he would find it a hell of a lot tougher to get the wins against other tough opponents like froch, johnson and maybe bute if he had to travel to fight them. In a competition, fighting in tougher environments is part of it, not the exception for just one guy!!

[sammiza567]

OK, try to imagine if the boot was on the other foot then. Lets say for example froch had it in the contract the he had not only all his group fights but also his semi final fight not just in his home country, but in his home town area. Now on top of that, he wants all the officials to be from not just his home country but the nottingham (or whereever hes from) area. After much argument and debate before each fight he has to "compromise" and accept only one or two officals from his area for the fight. All the while other home town super six fights feature no officials from the home fighters country at all!! Can you imagine the uproad there would be in america, this and other forums would be going crazy.

So when this is pointed out, some americans are crying typical anti american bias LOL, you dont seem to realise you do things in a far worse way then the positions are reversed!!

On top of that, noone is arguing that kessler would have beaten ward in denmark, but did kessler deserve to have his face bust up with wards repeated head butts (yes they were) and no hint of a warning from the ref? Noone is saying the AA would have beaten ward, but lets at least try to make the competion at least a bit fair. Froch for example, has fought in denmark, finland, now it will be the states and if he wins the states again. Contrast ward, like i said if the boot was on the other foot......

I realise its an american comp but people can at least complain about this type of stuff and demand fair fighting conditions. Like i said if it was the other way around there would be outrage and far worse said about euro fighters guaranteed.

thats fair enough. i just honestly dont think it matters if froch's family is judging the fight he will beat him convincingly just imo.

[Slick_Rick]

No he shouldn't, the contract was sign for the final to be in the US, and a US network is financing it so you have to respect that. What Froch should do is try to have it as far a way from where Ward lives, MSG perhaps, i might go to it then

[Pullcounter]

This fight is too important for him to be robbed. He needs a neutral country, ref and judges, dont let showtime get the judges

any close rounds will all go to ward if its in the usa, froch needs to stick to his guns, once he beats the old dude, try to get the fight in a neutral country

the fight can be in the states, just not in california

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I dont really care. And neither will Froch. It would easily sell more in the UK. But I would love to see Froch win it on Wards home soil.

[turkas]

Dont agree with that at all. There are plenty of recent and not so recent questionable hometown decisions and judging from america, kotelnik against alexander, martinez v cintron, scores from the first martinez v williams fight, broner getting a gift against de leon, diaz getting the win against magicman in texas, off the top of my head. Bad stuff happens all over the world but listening to americans you would think it never happens there!! It does and more than most imo

There is no point is saying that just because ward is having good nights at home at the moment that he couldnt struggle under different circumstances. Wards got talent no doubt but he would find it a hell of a lot tougher to get the wins against other tough opponents like froch, johnson and maybe bute if he had to travel to fight them. In a competition, fighting in tougher environments is part of it, not the exception for just one guy!!

For the ones you listed they were close fights and honestly the only one I would say is an outrage was the Cintron fight. I think far to often people on this site get outraged when a close fight does not go their way or the way they scored. Look no one on here is a professional judge (or at least no one that I know of) plus judging from your couch at home is much different then judging from ringside. Like I said there is "home cooking" everywhere, I just feel out of all of the countries to go fight in America gives the best chance to get a fair score.

People on here need to stop confusing a close fight with a "fixed fight" anytime it doesn't go the way they scored it. Beside you never know what PROFESSIONAL judges are looking for. The 10 point must system is far from perfect and it leaves a lot of the scoring up to interpretation, that's why there are 3 judges ringside. One might score on effective punching, another might like ring generalship, while the 3rd judge might like an effective work rate. You just never know what judges are looking for, hence the differences in scores.

However I digress. Look, a lot of you European fans may not like this, but America is the boxing capital of the world. We may not love it more than other countries in the world, hell we don't even have the best fighters in the world, but this is where all fighters strive to fight. America is where the money is, where the fame, and it's where you become a super star. Why do you think Hatton always came to America to fight when he got big or why his fights were scheduled to be fought for US audiences? It's the same reason Khan, Martinez, Pacquiao, Marquez, Cotto, and Alverez fight most if not all of the fights here now. Because they want to be an American boxing star and all the money and fame that comes with it. The old moniker is true, if you make it in America, you've made it everywhere.

Are there some fighters that are exceptions to this rule yes, but it's true for the overwhelming majority of major boxers and it's the reason the Super Six World Boxing Classic was started in the first place, to make a new boxing super star in America. I know it sounds ****y and self centered, but it's the truth. Should Ward be forced to fight outside of California in the final, yes I would agree not just because he needs to fight in a different state, but also because this final needs to be either in Vegas or New York. However, the final has to be in America.

As for that nonsense about Ward only fighting good because he's in California, it's just that nonsense. Good, dominate fighters don't need "home field advantage" because they are good fighters. The Klitchkos can go anywhere in the world in dominate fights, and they have, that's why it's ****** when people say they have to fight in Germany to win fights. Good fighters are just good fighters and the sooner people on here realize that Ward is a good fighter the better it will be for them because he is going to be around for a long, long time.

[Smash]

thats fair enough. i just honestly dont think it matters if froch's family is judging the fight he will beat him convincingly just imo.

You may well be correct with that. The only way for froch to beat ward would be maybe something along the lines of the dirrell fight where most people thought dirrell did enough to win but because froch was at home the judges gave him most of the close messy rounds. Froch would need to use his awkward style and jab to make it a messy battle and knotch up some rounds that way. If the fights in the states i dont think even that can happen, no way officials will let an unbeaten home fighter go down unless its a clear loss and even then it may end up a draw! But contracts are just that and froch has no problems with that, its just forum members debating it all.

Id like to see the final on the east coast of the states and if not there vegas would be good. Assuming froch can get past johnson, who is a very tough opponent.

[New England]

This fight is too important for him to be robbed. He needs a neutral country, ref and judges, dont let showtime get the judges

any close rounds will all go to ward if its in the usa, froch needs to stick to his guns, once he beats the old dude, try to get the fight in a neutral country

ward is the number one seed and froch is not
this is a tournament


he lost to kessler
and many believe his win over dirrell was a jobbing



unless he's bringing huge slices of money to the table (which he isn't) i don't see any reason why he can dictate the location
if they were huge draws at a neutral local (say perhaps vegas) then they could put the fight on there and make more money
but they cant

neutral judges and officiating are all that he can ask for

and hopefully a small ring if he's lucky