Why do people think Andre Ward is "boring"

[warp1432]

The thing I don't like about Ward is the constant clinching. He did it literally over 30 times in the fight. What he does is not "inside fighting". You need to throw punches for it to be considered fighting. Holding is against boxing rules and he never gets docked for it.

His actual skills like his jab, and movement are good. Quit fucking holding Andre, just like your brother Berto.

There wasn't that much holding last night at all. Did you watch the fight? When there was it was Abraham grabbing when Ward got very close. Ward likes to fight close range sometimes and then rough the other guy up when they clinch. If you pay close attention, it's the other fighter who grabs hold and than Ward fights out of the clinch. Ward does his fair share of holding, but at least he fights out of it.

Berto holds a lot more than Ward.

[Monte Fisto]

What exactly has Mayorga done that's been exciting lately? The reason why Mayorga gets PPV because fools like you would prefer to seem him cuss, act like a fool, quit, lose,and fight like an amateur, than see Ward win.

No wonder Wifebeater has alot fans, that makes sense, haha

[FerdinandMarcos]

There wasn't that much holding last night at all. Did you watch the fight? When there was it was Abraham grabbing when Ward got very close. Ward likes to fight close range sometimes and then rough the other guy up when they clinch. If you pay close attention, it's the other fighter who grabs hold and than Ward fights out of the clinch. Ward does his fair share of holding, but at least he fights out of it.

Berto holds a lot more than Ward.

Stop making sense.

[Kevin Malone]

There wasn't that much holding last night at all. Did you watch the fight?

Yes. I can't remember which round it was, but I know the referee broke them up literally 6 times in the last 20 seconds of the round. That's pathetic.

When there was it was Abraham grabbing when Ward got very close.

Sometimes. Did you notice how anytime that Abraham did let his hands go inside Ward bearhugged him? It happens all the time in Ward fights. And Ward and his fans call this "inside fighting".

It was in the 2nd round I believe Ward was backed up against the ropes. It looked like he leaped forward to hug Abraham to get off the ropes. It's a joke.

Ward likes to fight close range sometimes and then rough the other guy up when they clinch. If you pay close attention, it's the other fighter who grabs hold and than Ward fights out of the clinch. Ward does his fair share of holding, but at least he fights out of it.

As someone who blindly supported Ward in the past it's not true. He is the one initiating a clinch a majority of the time. Initiating the clinch is against the rules even if you have the intention of fighting out of it, period. It's MMA nonsense, not boxing, and it's against the Marques of Queensbury rules. Why do you think when referees don't have their heads up their ass they dock guys for holding?

[Deevel916]

What exactly has Mayorga done that's been exciting lately? The reason why Mayorga gets PPV because fools like you would prefer to seem him cuss, act like a fool, quit, lose,and fight like an amateur, than see Ward win.

HBO execs arent giving Mayorga PPV dates for no reason. I'm not saying that's what I prefer to see because I dont. I'm only saying that being a pure technical boxer isnt going to get you very far unless you have KO power, are contraversial, or are very entertaining to the casual fans. A 12 round boxing clinic where nobody get hurt just doesnt cut it in this day and age of our sport.

There is a such thing as being technical yet exciting. Morales, Barrera, JMM.

[FerdinandMarcos]

Yes. I can't remember which round it was, but I know the referee broke them up literally 6 times in the last 20 seconds of the round. That's pathetic.



Sometimes. Did you notice how anytime that Abraham did let his hands go inside Ward bearhugged him? It happens all the time in Ward fights. And Ward and his fans call this "inside fighting".

It was in the 2nd round I believe Ward was backed up against the ropes. It looked like he leaped forward to hug Abraham to get off the ropes. It's a joke.



As someone who blindly supported Ward in the past it's not true. He is the one initiating a clinch a majority of the time. Initiating the clinch is against the rules even if you have the intention of fighting out of it, period. It's MMA nonsense, not boxing, and it's against the Marques of Queensbury rules. Why do you think when referees don't have their heads up their ass they dock guys for holding?

Ward did most of the punching HE made the fight...AA was just hiding and holding.

AA is the reason it wasn't exciting.

[vacon04]

The reason why I don't really like Wards' style is that he clinches a lot. He has talent and good skills, but he actually clinches a lot and punches after the ref tells them to separate.

In the fight between Ward and AA some people say "AA was the one clinching" ... actually AA clinched because Ward gets his body extremely low and goes forward. With that body position, his head is very dangerous, that's why other fighters are also in need to clinch, if they don't then they get a headbutt.

And for the people that will say "yeah Ward haters say this or that..." ... I'm not a Ward hater, as I said he has good skills, I just think that a fighter with that amount of talent shouldn't rely on clinching and going forward with his head.

[Kevin Malone]

AA is the reason it wasn't exciting.

What do you mean it wasn't exciting? Ward has a very exciting style that casual dumbass fans just don't understand.

Right?

[warp1432]

Yes. I can't remember which round it was, but I know the referee broke them up literally 6 times in the last 20 seconds of the round. That's pathetic.

I'd have to see it again, but Abraham did a lot of the clinching last night.

Sometimes. Did you notice how anytime that Abraham did let his hands go inside Ward bearhugged him? It happens all the time in Ward fights. And Ward and his fans call this "inside fighting".

It is inside fighting. He positions himself in the clinch and then works the body. It's similar to what Hopkins does, but Hopkins is a lot more relaxed in doing so.

This last night also went way down. Ward spent more time throwing jabs from a distance and then coming in with a combination than clinching. Bika's style and Green's negative style made Ward clinch.

There's nothing wrong with the way Ward fights most of the times. Clinching happens. That doesn't change the fact he has exceptional skills and can adapt to multiple ways of fighting.

As someone who blindly supported Ward in the past it's not true. He is the one initiating a clinch a majority of the time. Initiating the clinch is against the rules even if you have the intention of fighting out of it, period. It's MMA nonsense, not boxing, and it's against the Marques of Queensbury rules. Why do you think when referees don't have their heads up their ass they dock guys for holding?

Refs are supposed to break them up, but boxers are allowed to clinch each other. Not over and over, but the fight last night and other Ward fights have not been dominated by clinching.

Refs rarely dock points for holding unless its pushing them down or roughing them up in the clinch.

You need to quit complaining about holding. It happens in mostly every fight and its not going to change. With fighters like Ward it happens more often than others, but that's because of Ward's style.

And Ward's style is tricky when he decides to go on the inside. Someone who fights overly aggressive like Sakio Bika is wild. They tend to come a lot more together.

Kessler and Green would at times initiate the clinch because they couldn't deal with Ward's speed.

[warp1432]

The reason why I don't really like Wards' style is that he clinches a lot. He has talent and good skills, but he actually clinches a lot and punches after the ref tells them to separate.

In the fight between Ward and AA some people say "AA was the one clinching" ... actually AA clinched because Ward gets his body extremely low and goes forward. With that body position, his head is very dangerous, that's why other fighters are also in need to clinch, if they don't then they get a headbutt.

And for the people that will say "yeah Ward haters say this or that..." ... I'm not a Ward hater, as I said he has good skills, I just think that a fighter with that amount of talent shouldn't rely on clinching and going forward with his head.

Often times fighters who do this are going to the body. Tim Bradley and Bernard Hopkins do it a lot too. Bradley doesn't hold a lot at all, but fighters have been holding onto him because of how he positions himself on the inside.

It also makes the fighter a lot harder to hit hence why people have to hold.