Pac would destroy Henry Armstrong and Harry Greb

[talip bin osman]

Fighters today, hit harder,move faster,have better nutrition,Access to better training.All around fighters today are better than the fighters of the past.To dispute this is pretty ******.I'm not going to hold fighters from the past to a unfair high standard that can never be passed,when its pretty obvious they don't move as fast or hit as hard as fighters today.Its like comparing a model t to a corvette.

roy jones jr in his prime would destroy robinson.

so in terms of having physical advantages like what you are implying, the modern fighter clearly beats the oldskool fighter...

i doubt this... read some blow by blow accounts of any joe gans and/or battling nelson fight and maybe it will enlighten your judgement a little bit...

[IronDanHamza]

Weight is a very relative thing.

Yes, there were and still are WW that are at 147. And in both generations these guys at 147 (or whatever weight) varied in speed, power, and endurance.

Back then though those traits were severely limited due to the lack of exercise and nutrition knowledge. It was believed that running 6 miles a day and eating a steak after going to the gym was a winners routine.

Now we know that long distance running is essentially useless. We can eat a certain way and train a certain way to become even more athletic then we though was possible.

The difference is that back then a fighter at 147 fought trained to hone fundamentals rather then shape them athletically. Now we know we can manipulate our body at a weight such as 147 to be stronger and faster.

I concede that fighters of the older generations may be more fundamentally sound, but I think the athleticism of fighters now is more prevalent.

Doesn't the fact that Floyd Mayweather does 'old school' style training kind of invalidate your theory?

Was does Floyd Mayweather do different to Ray Robinson? Floyd hits the road, punches the heavy bag, jumps rope, and spars. That's mainly what his workout consists of.

And secondly, we don't know Floyd Mayweather's diet. But according to him, "he eats what he wants and burns it off on the road"

Doesn't that also invalidate your 'diet' theory as to why Mayweather is so much more advanced than Robinson?

What does Floyd actually do that's soo drastically different?

[Medved]

Some people really need to read some books on Evolution in Sports. Look at the records from the winter/summer olympics 100 years ago, 80 years ago, 60 years ago and today.

You will see EVERY record broken by a HUGE margin because training gets better, diets get better and humans evolve to get stronger.

Whenever I watch a old boxing film I always laugh because they fight like a couple circuis acts would fight today and some people actually say that they were that amazing that they would win today when those guys were mostly out of shape dudes fighting 200 times a year in non sanctioned fights that were mostly fraud.

You think they had the same training and sparring? Hell one of a modern persons sparring match will be way harder than a fight was back then.

Dont forget if you throw 2 C level fighters you can get them swinging at each other and it will be amazing action but once you put that C level fighter with a true superstar who has modern training and technology he will wipe the floor with the weaker man.

[IronDanHamza]

I mean, as of a 6 months ago. Fernando Montiel was #1 at Bantamweight.

Are we going to argue he is more talented and gifted than Eder Jofre? Surely not.

Freddie Welsh was fighting in the 1900's-1910's. Compare his talent and defensive ability to the entire Lightweight division today excluding Juan Manuel Marquez.

It's not even close.

[-Spinal-]

About the thread, I don't know.

15 rounds and same day weigh-ins would be a whole different ball park than what fighters are use to now.


If the fighters are so athletically gifted so much better than the fighters of the past, then how come 9 out of 10 fighters look exhausted by the 12th round?

I mean it takes a very well nutritioned boxer to go 12 rounds even nowadays. The only fighters of today, I can see going 15 rounds, from the top of my head fighters like Floyd, Pac, Ward, Wlad, Donaire, P. Williams, Bradley, JMM, Froch, and I just went brain-dead, because it's basically very few fighters of today that can fight for a full 12 rounds without getting tired.

So I wouldn't be quick to say that the fighters of today are superior to the fighters of the past who fought 15 rounders and had same day weigh ins, and only had 1 champion per weight class, with only 8 weight classes. I would say now it's easier for fighters, back then it was harder. So I would go as far as to say that maybe the fighters of the past are the superior fighters? We'll never know unless we build a time machine.

[-Spinal-]

Some people really need to read some books on Evolution in Sports. Look at the records from the winter/summer olympics 100 years ago, 80 years ago, 60 years ago and today.

You will see EVERY record broken by a HUGE margin because training gets better, diets get better and humans evolve to get stronger.

Whenever I watch a old boxing film I always laugh because they fight like a couple circuis acts would fight today and some people actually say that they were that amazing that they would win today when those guys were mostly out of shape dudes fighting 200 times a year in non sanctioned fights that were mostly fraud.

You think they had the same training and sparring? Hell one of a modern persons sparring match will be way harder than a fight was back then.

Dont forget if you throw 2 C level fighters you can get them swinging at each other and it will be amazing action but once you put that C level fighter with a true superstar who has modern training and technology he will wipe the floor with the weaker man.

Not every sport is the same.

Like some one mentioned already, there's been records set in boxing a long time ago that have yet to be broken by these much superior and so much better fighters.

How about in baseball? Did you know ball parks use to be bigger back in the day? I mean bigger as in centerfield was farther from home plate than they are now. Now they have it easy.

530 feet to straight away center field in Yankee Stadium in 1923 when it was first built. Now it's 408 feet at center field. How come the players of back then still hold home run records hostage, when they played in bigger ball parks? And the only one who has "passed" that record in these modern and smaller ballparks, cheated with steroids. Single season Home Run records that were set back in the day by Babe Ruth and Roger Maris, were broken by modern players who were all caught using steroids.

Same in boxing, there are still a lot records that have not been broken by these modern, more "superior" fighters.

[strykr619]

With all of you people trying to compare old school versus current generation, one thing WILL ALWAYS STICK OUT , their will always be a taint from the early 30's to the mid 50's because of the Mob.

Its impossible to compare Boxing Pre-1965 to what it is now.

[Pudgemeister]

You idiots. This isn't about who is considered greater achievement wise. It's about matchups. Pac would pwn Armstrong and Greb. Just fricking look at how they fight in the videos.

And this isn't a Pac hug thread- FLOYD WOULD PWN THEM TOO. Well he would own Greb. I dont know if he would be active enough or stong enough to hurt Armostrong enough to slow his assault

PAC WOULD BEAT PRIME MOSLEY AND DLH but would LOSE to Will PEP.

It's about styles. He would also probably lose to SRR and Tommy Hearns.

But the two guys in the title get PWNED

[BoxingTech718]

You idiots. This isn't about who is considered greater achievement wise. It's about matchups. Pac would pwn Armstrong and Greb. Just fricking look at how they fight in the videos.

And this isn't a Pac hug thread- FLOYD WOULD PWN THEM TOO. Well he would own Greb. I dont know if he would be active enough or stong enough to hurt Armostrong enough to slow his assault

PAC WOULD BEAT PRIME MOSLEY AND DLH but would LOSE to Will PEP.

It's about styles. He would also probably lose to SRR and Tommy Hearns.

But the two guys in the title get PWNED

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